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How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain Send a noteboard - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM
Sure, Egwene was forced by the Seanchan. Everyone knows that. But even with the forcing she might not have been at full strength. Am I forgetting a quote that says Egwene is at full strength when she compares herself to Moghedien?

What if Egwene's potential is not that far below Moghedien, but her strength, at the time she compared herself to Moghedien, was far enough lower that she stood no chance at the time????

Until I see a quote saying Egwene is at full strength, I have to accept the possibility that Egwene was comparing her current strength against Moghedien and not her potential.
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 9349 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1905 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1847 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1655 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1739 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1324 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1944 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1625 Views
Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1312 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1361 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 845 Views
why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1449 Views
Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1503 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1474 Views
and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1404 Views
Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1255 Views
Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1317 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1461 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1231 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 1139 Views
Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 1155 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1219 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1502 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1438 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1396 Views
Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1276 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1262 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 818 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1363 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1389 Views
the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1235 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1263 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1218 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1402 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1504 Views
I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1367 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1275 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1297 Views
What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1337 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1297 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1235 Views
Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1207 Views
The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1291 Views
Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 1180 Views
Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1397 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1443 Views
It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1475 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1327 Views
Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 735 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1451 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1374 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1575 Views
uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1420 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1305 Views
yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 679 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1379 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1569 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1325 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1318 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1286 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1281 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1247 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1214 Views
Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 1167 Views
Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 1198 Views
Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1193 Views
Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1245 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 747 Views
I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 692 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1334 Views
No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 1148 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 1096 Views
I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 667 Views
You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1202 Views
Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1205 Views
Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1221 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1209 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 1122 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 1159 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 1132 Views
I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1188 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1210 Views
Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1214 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1698 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1198 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 1103 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 1131 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1188 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 1111 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 1083 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 1190 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1194 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 1094 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1280 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1236 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1300 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1263 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1232 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 1126 Views
Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1159 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 645 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 1117 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1155 Views
Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 1080 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1268 Views
which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1191 Views
No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 1145 Views
we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 1106 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1178 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 1147 Views
I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1204 Views
Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 1143 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 1147 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 1107 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1178 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1219 Views
I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1226 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1241 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1199 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1224 Views
Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1171 Views
The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 672 Views
Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 1186 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1178 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1205 Views
of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1189 Views
Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1225 Views
If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 1133 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1296 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1409 Views
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