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Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM
Aviendha states clearly that Egwene is stronger than Amys and Melaine combined. Amys is on Moiraine's strength level, and Melaine is equal to a very strong Aes Sedai.

So if Egwene can overpower them combined, then it means either they are below the average woman in strength, or Egwene is stronger than Lanfear.

It's one or the other. There is no other option if your Bell Curve model is applied.

There is. Aviendha could be wrong.



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Among the Wise Ones

You are Aes Sedai, and strong enough in the Power to overcome Amys and Melaine together," Aviendha continued, "but you said that you would obey, so you scrub pots when they say scrub pots, and you run when they say run. You may not know ji'e'toh, but you follow it."
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The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 03:32:03 PM 8688 Views
I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:27:53 PM 1732 Views
Re: I assume you're referring to EFFECTIVE strength here... Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:05:18 PM 1702 Views
Fair enough but the problem is... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:13:39 PM 1509 Views
There's one thing that does suggest Lanfear is very dextrous... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 05:49:14 PM 1620 Views
Re: Fair enough but the problem is... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:08:27 PM 1187 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 04:52:56 PM 1641 Views
Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... Shannow - 17/12/2009 04:57:17 PM 1490 Views
Indeed, and not only that Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:10:46 PM 1185 Views
Re: Alivia's rings and chains angreal multiplies strength by 4 times or more... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:07:39 PM 1228 Views
Moiraine at 45 strength is way too high. She can't be that high. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:44:50 PM 788 Views
why? darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:57:37 PM 1314 Views
Re: why? Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:11:13 PM 1379 Views
I don't think there is one scale you can put both men and women on is the point darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:21:21 PM 1339 Views
and yet RJ does Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:27:39 PM 1260 Views
Re: and yet RJ does darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:49:20 PM 1135 Views
Re: and yet RJ does Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:20:16 AM 1193 Views
No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:08:04 PM 1344 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:53:24 AM 1090 Views
Re: No more liberty than you are taking assuming only a woman like Graendal could do it! darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:12:47 PM 1031 Views
Meh... Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:01:56 PM 1038 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:43:58 PM 1095 Views
Re: Meh... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:46:03 PM 1381 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha Sidious - 17/12/2009 05:07:28 PM 1313 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 06:24:12 PM 1236 Views
Let's work with your figures... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:45:46 PM 1138 Views
Re: Let's work with your figures... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:16:49 PM 1153 Views
You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 07:50:25 PM 756 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:59:13 PM 1250 Views
Still, it's created more questions than it has solved. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:13:26 PM 1268 Views
the obvious answer darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:06:33 PM 1113 Views
Re: You have a good point about Daigian and Semirhage. That may have been a BS mistake. Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:14:01 PM 1144 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Logain - 17/12/2009 08:17:10 PM 1100 Views
Re: two women holding Nynaeve Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:19:34 PM 1279 Views
I personally think Nynaeve gained strength slower than most because of her block. Logain - 17/12/2009 08:30:44 PM 1358 Views
I think all the main characters were forced Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:38:41 PM 1244 Views
agreed! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:01:37 PM 1169 Views
but we know as late as WH that she has not reached her full potential darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:50:12 PM 1176 Views
What? Where? *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:22:36 AM 1224 Views
I'll have to dig up the quote, apologies but I'm at work and don't have the books darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:00:20 PM 1156 Views
Sorry, Path of Daggers not Winter's Heart darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 03:32:33 AM 1112 Views
Don't links amplify stength? BlackAdder - 17/12/2009 10:26:12 PM 1064 Views
The opposite, actually. Phelix - 17/12/2009 10:36:51 PM 1165 Views
Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength Logain - 17/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 1080 Views
Re: Gateway theory refutes this. The size of gateway is relevant to strength darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:55:38 PM 1266 Views
What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Logain - 17/12/2009 05:40:41 PM 1315 Views
It means even Moghedien is vastly stronger than the average modern Aes Sedai... Shannow - 17/12/2009 05:48:09 PM 1289 Views
Re: What do you think of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage in relation to Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:15:58 PM 1211 Views
Agreed! *NM* Logain - 17/12/2009 08:19:08 PM 671 Views
Re: The relative strength in the Power of Nynaeve vs Cadsuane vs Egwene/Elayne/Aviendha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 06:47:23 PM 1303 Views
Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Shannow - 17/12/2009 06:53:18 PM 1228 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 07:26:55 PM 1450 Views
uhm.... yes she knows Oberonus - 17/12/2009 08:04:08 PM 1297 Views
Re: uhm.... yes she knows RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:24:17 PM 1187 Views
yup *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:49:51 PM 629 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 07:28:00 PM 1266 Views
Re: Except tthat Egwene herself says she has no chance against Moghedien... Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:23:01 PM 1449 Views
Ishamael told her that she would never be strong enough to face him darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 09:52:47 PM 1207 Views
And Ishamael was killed be a shepherd and Bel'al balefired by a "weak" Aes Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:33:41 PM 1155 Views
I hope that's not your standard for dueling Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:24:09 AM 1175 Views
what you expect a Channeler to announce themselves and darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:47:17 AM 1171 Views
How can we be certain Egwene was at full strength when she said that? Logain - 17/12/2009 07:58:39 PM 1123 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 08:00:40 PM 1073 Views
Elayne says Egwene was at her full strength in TSR, and thus was stronger than she currently was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 10:25:31 PM 1051 Views
Elayne says Egwene was forced and was thus currently stronger darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:51:28 PM 1087 Views
Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/12/2009 11:23:20 PM 1086 Views
Re: Definitely TSR, because I re-read that book constantly - will try to find the section! darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:25:31 PM 1096 Views
Didn't the glossary say that Cadsuane was not far behind Eg/El? *NM* Cannoli - 17/12/2009 08:05:32 PM 685 Views
I'll check *NM* Sidious - 17/12/2009 08:28:57 PM 647 Views
This thread has achieved absolutely nothing. When people don't accept quotes, what's the use... Shannow - 17/12/2009 10:22:45 PM 1219 Views
No people just interpret things differently darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 10:56:45 PM 1027 Views
But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 17/12/2009 11:13:40 PM 964 Views
I think they are secretly just trying to make Lanfear appear that much stronger *NM* darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:17:38 PM 611 Views
You also forget something. Phelix - 17/12/2009 11:36:50 PM 1063 Views
Re: You also forget something. darius_sedai - 17/12/2009 11:43:50 PM 1089 Views
Re: You also forget something. Phelix - 18/12/2009 02:09:08 AM 1107 Views
That has nothing to do with what I said... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:21:06 AM 1090 Views
Re: That has nothing to do with what I said... Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:28:53 PM 991 Views
Dude, prove it in a random sample, not in a skewed sample like "women who want to be Aes Sedai". fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:43:22 PM 1020 Views
Show me a random sample in the series that we can use *NM* Sidious - 18/12/2009 06:45:08 PM 1008 Views
I cannot. That's the point... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 08:33:38 PM 1052 Views
Re: I cannot. That's the point... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:58:39 AM 1067 Views
Sorry, but no... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:23:41 PM 1078 Views
The One Power Bell Curve's average strength is not 50, it is more like 15... Shannow - 17/12/2009 11:41:48 PM 1565 Views
but you are the person quantifying the actual strength levels. darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 12:09:08 AM 1053 Views
Yes, Sidious' scale is a relative scale not an absolute one *NM* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:23:25 AM 949 Views
In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:37:47 AM 1004 Views
Re: In a Bell curve, mean=median=mode. I suppose that is untrue now? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:47:52 AM 1055 Views
What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:53:29 AM 1013 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:16:53 AM 953 Views
Re: What do you mean, relative scale? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:40:33 AM 1025 Views
OK, I have no interest in OP Strength, but you comments about statistics and bell curve got me BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 12:20:27 AM 1061 Views
1 to 100 works perfectly well as a range... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 12:47:44 AM 984 Views
Here is an example with an absolute scale, converted to relative BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 01:03:38 AM 1105 Views
The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:28:38 AM 1123 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 02:03:00 AM 1175 Views
Re: The Tower is not the whole range of channeler population! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 03:16:25 AM 1123 Views
You're right, and that proves my point - here are the calculations and the evidence... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:51:26 AM 1091 Views
Dude, read up on some statistics, then we'll continue this debate... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:05:26 PM 1017 Views
Explain one thing to me... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:40:00 PM 1042 Views
Who said she's stronger than two very strong AS? Silviana can shield her alone! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:01:01 PM 583 Views
Aviendha said so in FoH. It is a direct quote. Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:04:21 PM 1006 Views
This is why I have a hard time with anyone using too many darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:22:40 AM 1043 Views
Can you provide the quote? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:24:40 PM 948 Views
Well, I was curious so I went and found it darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 08:59:46 PM 1134 Views
which is also suspect darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:04:14 AM 1046 Views
No it's not Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:04:21 PM 1028 Views
we're in agreement darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:34 PM 987 Views
OK, the Tower AS don't fall into a bell-curve, then. BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:34:16 PM 1052 Views
So, RJ made that statement for what reason? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:03:30 PM 1027 Views
I don't think it's a lie BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:19:41 PM 1074 Views
Agreed Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:14 PM 1015 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:31:53 AM 1016 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:42:33 AM 989 Views
Re: But you ignore RJ's own quotes... who're you to talk? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:04:39 PM 1045 Views
Bell curves CANNOT be skewed! fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:06:15 PM 1093 Views
I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 01:06:07 AM 1087 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... Sidious - 18/12/2009 04:37:30 AM 1071 Views
Re: I've discussed this before... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 04:58:48 AM 1042 Views
Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... Shannow - 18/12/2009 07:02:28 AM 1079 Views
Why are you entertaining this? Sidious - 18/12/2009 01:19:25 PM 1057 Views
The other poster showed no proof that RJ's math was wrong. Read what he said again! *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:09:49 PM 625 Views
Verin's circle matched Granedal dude. And average strength does not mean great strength. fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 06:07:51 PM 1064 Views
Re: Egwene + Lelaine + Romanda is weaker than one male Forsaken...according to Egwene herself... darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 12:46:18 AM 1061 Views
I can't imagine it being about skill Sidious - 19/12/2009 12:06:42 PM 1088 Views
of course it's about skill darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 05:22:45 PM 1061 Views
Not it isn't! Sidious - 19/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 1081 Views
If she was only thinking about strength why then didn't she have a plan to add Sheriam darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 07:09:08 PM 1007 Views
I always thought that without her angreal... everynametaken - 18/12/2009 06:27:07 AM 1136 Views
Egwene, Elayne, and Aviendha are equally matched. Heiko - 18/12/2009 07:47:03 AM 1288 Views
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