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I think we're pretty much in agreement darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 01/01/2010 09:26:26 PM
Dreadlords were both men and women, it wasn't just darkfriend Aes Sedai... so it wouldn't be right to call them AS, and IIRC, this was before Ishy had formalized the BA, so that didn't fit either.

I don't know if they would be Dreadlords or not... IIRC, RJ flat out said that Dreadlords were a product of the Trolloc Wars and did not exist before that. Now that we have the BA, I don't think we'll see Dreadlords, per se, again.


Well, since there will be Dark Asha'man too, there will be more than just BA running around, and it's not likely the Forsaken will allow for them all to be labeled new Forsaken!

RJ did say that Dreadlords was the name only during the TW ... but that all Dark Channelers were called Forsaken during the WoP ... perhaps Ishy didn't want the new crop to be called Forsaken and came up with a new name ... and IIRC there is a mention in the text of "new Dreadlords" ... but I may just be making that up

Maybe there will be a whole new name for the collective group


I doubt that the meaning of a word would change that much in the 100 years of the Collapse, considering how much the "Good" folks were working to contain the changes the darkfriends were making.


Oh I think 100 years is plenty of time for connotation of a word to shift... look how much different the English language is today from 100 years ago! I don't think it's a stretch at all to think that Aes Sedai would have picked up that additional meaning, especially once there started to be AS Forsaking the Light and thus no longer being AS...


Note that there is no mention of serving the Light, the Creator, or the Pattern.


True it's not spelled out, but that doesn't mean it's not there. Modern AS clearly "serve" something, which is never directly spelled out. IMO the founders of the Tower, fresh from the Breaking and not too long out of the WoP, would have dedicated their service to the Light/Pattern/Humanity etc... after a few hundred years the meaning of the word would have shifted (assuming it hadn't already during the actual WoP).

I continue to go back to the meaning of Asha'man and can't help but think Rand modeled his name criteria after similarities to AS, just like he did the training structure etc... if asha'man are basically guardians of "just" causes (i.e. the light), seems to me that AS could easily be servants of the light. It thematically fits the series as well ... balance of male guardians to female servants ... one serves the light the other protects it.

Anyway it's all speculation
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My 2 cents... which may only be worth 1 darius_sedai - 01/01/2010 06:39:52 PM 723 Views
I'll cash that check, but I doubt my bank will care much. Phelix - 01/01/2010 06:49:25 PM 719 Views
Re: I'll cash that check, but I doubt my bank will care much. darius_sedai - 01/01/2010 07:27:57 PM 721 Views
Re: I'll cash that check, but I doubt my bank will care much. Phelix - 01/01/2010 07:37:17 PM 706 Views
Re: I'll cash that check, but I doubt my bank will care much. darius_sedai - 01/01/2010 08:08:58 PM 736 Views
Re: I'll cash that check, but I doubt my bank will care much. Phelix - 01/01/2010 09:05:45 PM 696 Views
I think we're pretty much in agreement darius_sedai - 01/01/2010 09:26:26 PM 711 Views
I'd agree with that. Phelix - 01/01/2010 10:20:52 PM 667 Views
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I think it's meant to be more like "public servant" than "household help" or "farmhand" BlackAdder - 31/12/2009 07:11:28 PM 538 Views
They don't care. The meaning of the honorific is irrelevant - all significance comes from context Cannoli - 01/01/2010 06:08:40 AM 650 Views
I Agree Yondaime - 01/01/2010 08:36:40 AM 582 Views
Re: I Agree Watcher - 01/01/2010 03:04:18 PM 576 Views
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