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When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM
By which I mean, the White Tower. They seem largely either immature, self-absorbed, arrogant, or some mixture of the three. And yet... they don't really DO anything in the series.

Note that I'm not talking about the world in general- I'm talking about the space of time that takes place during the series. For the most part, any help that's come from Aes Sedai has almost been incidental, or from independently working sisters.

There's been a HUGE subplot, involving the split of the Tower, and for the most part it hasn't affected the world. No one really cares. Yes, the rival Aes Sedai factions care, and the areas where they gather gigantic armies care, but largely, the world remains unaffected.

Aes Sedai keep popping up, but the ones under the direction of the White Tower don't DO anything. It takes a Wondergirl, or a ta'veren, to get them to act.

Really, the only useful contribution the non-protagonist Aes Sedai have made is mediation, or being part of a link. They might know a lot of special weaves other channelers don't know, but they mostly can't hold a candle to the Forsaken (or even the Black Ajah, who know all of the special "Ajah Weaves". Some of them may be more powerful than many Wise Ones or Windfinders, but they still can't hold a candle to the protagonists, or many of the "wilders" they so disdain.

They mostly just get in everyone's way, unless a protagonist manages to tell them what to do (see: Moiraine after she swore her oath to Rand, Verin and Allana with Perrin, any of the AS who trail along after Elayne or Rand)



people in "ivory towers" (upper management) at the places we work. You described them so well...
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1426 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 972 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 571 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 1215 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 985 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 950 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 924 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 880 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 894 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 964 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 784 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 804 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 828 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 935 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 760 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 787 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 878 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 889 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 929 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 829 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 807 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 773 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 827 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 911 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 839 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 868 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 820 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 1069 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 819 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 823 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 787 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 851 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 795 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 857 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 773 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 872 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 1084 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 853 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 981 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 742 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 795 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 1096 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 765 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 1118 Views

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