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I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM
As Corwin said, most of what you listed was because of female protagonists, working on their own.

Even Siuan's accomplishments don't necessarily count- she was doing them in total secret, without WT approval or knowledge!



My problem is that (in both pre-Salidar and post-Salidar) there is an incredibly large group of skilled channelers that are, for all intents and purposes ignoring the world for the purposes of their infighting. And the few Salidar/WT Aes Sedai who don't ignore the world actively make it worse (See: attacking the Black Tower, kidnapping Rand, pissing Rand off in general).

The hunt for the Black Ajah and the upcoming Great Purge is extremely cool, and I'm very impressed with those who are handling it. Confident, decisive, sneaky- they're what Aes Sedai are supposed to be.

But the rest of them are mostly useless. The only useful Aes Sedai are the ones who have gone outside Tower/Salidar protocol. So, the Wondergirls, Cadsuane, the Aes Sedai who have sworn to Rand (to a smaller extent).



Some of this has to be because of the Shadow's influence- we know Mesanna and Halima have been working to keep the rebellion going. Still, I'm pretty disappointed in the Aes Sedai.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1122 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 713 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 461 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 735 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 694 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 659 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 627 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 631 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 707 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 560 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 571 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 572 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 651 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 479 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 528 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 597 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 615 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 689 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 557 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 550 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 510 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 555 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 654 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 577 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 623 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 563 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 749 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 537 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 561 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 505 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 572 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 494 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 585 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 494 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 607 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 736 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 574 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 687 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 487 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 535 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 828 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 489 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 844 Views

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