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I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM
Yes, there are librarians, yes, there are teachers. But from what we've seen, the majority of the Tower Aes Sedai have just been sitting around, absorbed in inter-Ajah politics and playing their own little games.

Those who are NOT, those who are actually doing something helpful, are often acting on their own agenda. Moiraine, Siuan, Verin, Cadsuane, Verin, Egwene (both pre-Amyrlin when she wandered off to the Aiel Waste, and post-Amyrlin when she makes everyone swear secret oaths to her) all do things on their own.

It's to their credit- they did well. But I'm focusing more on the fact that it's less a point in their favor than it is a point AGAINST the White Tower.

The only proactive things that have been done with full White Tower approval in the book series are:

1)Fighting Logain and Taim
2)Deposing Siuan
3)Attempting to subdue Elayne (the forkroot incident)
4)Abolishing the Blue Ajah
5)Sending a group to Rand (with orders to kidnap him)
6)Holding Mattin Steppanos
7)Publishing that letter saying the world can only come to Rand through the WT

Note that I only listed things that were done in the open, with full approval of the Tower. The hunt for the Black Ajah doesn't count, because 1) It's secret and 2)Elaida wasn't trying to get the Black Ajah anyway, she just hated Alviarian. (Gotta look up these spellings...)

#1 is admirable, though they did end up letting both escape. #3 makes a little sense from Elaida's POV. The rest just show a shocking level of disconnection with the real world, and most Aes Sedai seem perfectly happy to live in their little bubble of superiority and inter-Ajah politics.



tl;dr: The only useful Aes Sedai are the ones who ignore the organization and do what they believe is right.
I amuse myself.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1589 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 1106 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 645 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 1128 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 1104 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 1067 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 1046 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 1049 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 1119 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 938 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 981 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 968 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 1104 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 907 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 961 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 1047 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 1044 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 1069 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 956 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 953 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 921 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 960 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 1052 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 999 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 1018 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 945 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 1230 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 951 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 987 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 935 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 1029 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 926 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 1028 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 936 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 1043 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 1217 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 986 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 1141 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 876 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 942 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 1255 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 925 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 1240 Views

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