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most of these are accounted for above ranagrande Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM
It was an Aes Sedai (actually several it was a team effort) who kept Lan alive after Moiraines "death"
This is true. It was all originally orchestrated by Moiraine though.

It was an Aes Sedai who healed Dobraine (the Dragon's regent in Cairhein)from what surely were mortal wounds
It was an Aes Sedai who more or less took over the running of Cairhein while Dobraine is convalescing
If I remember correctly (and I very well could be mistaken here, please correct me if I am) these were Cadsuane's Aes Sedai acting on her orders.

It was Aes Sedai who hammered out the "Bargain" between the Dragon and the Seafolk
only because Rand told them to

It was Aes Sedai (again a group effort) who kept Rand alive after he was sliced by Fain's dagger and got him back to the palace where Flinn could heal him
This, again, was Cadsuane's doing.

It was an Aes Sedai who discovered how to recognise a man channeling and where the flows were directed (another thing thought impossible by the AoL AS)
Although many sisters were excited by this, it is actually pretty useless. They have to channel at the man in order to detect the man channeling. And if they're able to channel at him, why not just weave a shield?

It was Aes Sedai who negotiated the peace in Tear and set the crown on Sisnera's head.
because Rand allowed it, because Min told him to

It is Aes Sedai who are digilently (and at great risk) working to rid the WT of the BA
and making very little progress

Yes there are some AS who are superfluous, there are some Ashaman who are superfluous, there are some nobles (probably most) who are superfluous, even most of the big baddies (forsaken) are kinda lame. Not everyone can be heroic and world changing all the time.
Honestly I think it just boils down to "Everyone who is not a major character is superfluous."

*edit: I forgot to change the title.
This message last edited by ranagrande on 03/09/2009 at 02:19:32 PM
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous beetnemesis - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1122 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... vandevere - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 713 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* Bryce - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 461 Views
That is the inspiration for the Aes Sedai that RJ used - I can't find the article, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 02:39:14 PM 657 Views
When I was reading this I was thinking of the paralells between the white tower and Tashmere - 03/09/2009 02:47:33 AM 857 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 735 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. Corwin - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 694 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 659 Views
Re: Really? Corwin - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 627 Views
So lets add a few more NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 631 Views
most of these are accounted for above ranagrande - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 708 Views
Just because we don't know all their names, doesn't mean their effectiveness on the Pattern was less RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/09/2009 03:19:41 PM 666 Views
But who did the work? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 560 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 571 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 572 Views
Actually I think that's his point ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 651 Views
Spot-on beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 479 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 528 Views
Re: But who did the work? ranagrande - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 597 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 615 Views
well, yeah ranagrande - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 689 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. fionwe1987 - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 557 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 551 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 510 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 555 Views
I'm not convinced that it does ranagrande - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 654 Views
I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 577 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 623 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Sidious - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 563 Views
Re: I don't understand your point Corwin - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 749 Views
Re: I don't understand your point NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 537 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 561 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 505 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 572 Views
No you are talking about Elaida NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 494 Views
You just made our point... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 585 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 494 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 607 Views
WT has been THE single greatest force for stagancy and lack of development. Lohikaarme - 09/09/2009 08:58:58 AM 517 Views
Like I said earlier the AS are superfluous except the ones who aren't superfluous. NaClH2O - 09/09/2009 11:55:47 AM 601 Views
To a certain extent ajsr1982 - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 736 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. beetnemesis - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 574 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 687 Views
Without the Tower Voscaia Sedai - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 487 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. nossy - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 535 Views
Agrees with Nossy NaClH2O - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 828 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say beetnemesis - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 489 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say NaClH2O - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 844 Views
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