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Hold on now.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM
Surely Nynaeve would have noticed if the Compulsion started dissipating while she was delving him. Why would Graendal want to make it dissappear after delving? Rand would be on the lookout for Compulsion, so trying to hide it would just make him more suspicious. Besides, even removing simple compulsion will create side effects - look what happened to Elza.


Why would Graendal want to make it dissappear after delving? How about the lack of an evidence trail. As per the removal of simple compulsion and its side effects....we're talking Graendal here. She is the only one in the entire series who is regarded as having a *Talent* for Compulsion. Even the other Forsaken know and acknoweldge this. To underestimate her ability with it is foolish. Do you honestly think that Graendal couldn't make a specific Compulsion weave which would do what she wanted, and then dissipate and have no affects afterwards?


So you want me to believe that Graendal made a weave that hasn't even been hinted at yet, that breaks the rules of compulsion and provides no advantages over normal compulsion? This theory makes even less sense than Graendal predicting Rand would balefire her.


So are you saying that those Deathgate weaves were impossible until Rand/LT busted them out? Creating a whole new weave that the reader hasn't seen before has never been an issue before. Why now?

My theory never said that Graendal had to predict Rand balefiring her. I never said it even once. Instead I said that what would precipitate her leaving was being found out. Each and every female Forsaken has hidden and worked from that vantage point. Something that the men rarely do (Demandred & Asmodean being the exceptions). If all of a sudden, after years of hiding, she's found out....what do you think that she would do? Get out of dodge.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal.... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1944 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 828 Views
She very well... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1246 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 682 Views
Re: She very well... jiggy - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1311 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 729 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 853 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 498 Views
Moghedien.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 996 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 990 Views
Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 1158 Views
Re: Yeah..... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 900 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 1173 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 878 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 1000 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 530 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 1034 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 912 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 871 Views
That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 897 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 932 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 892 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 1120 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 997 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 822 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 483 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 647 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 514 Views
The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced. Libby - 09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM 1091 Views
Yes, pretty much. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 982 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1276 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 1040 Views
Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 1178 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 969 Views
This could go either way.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 1099 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 1099 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 977 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 1006 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 538 Views
Danke for clarification. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 838 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 987 Views
Its still a game... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 1035 Views
I could buy... Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 946 Views
Please, Artsapat - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 959 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 948 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. TaskmasterJack - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 917 Views
So what would you say... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 927 Views
Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 967 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 878 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 479 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 1010 Views
Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 845 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 474 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 1061 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 927 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 1077 Views
I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 917 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 938 Views
Hold on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 1114 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 927 Views
Re: Hold on now.... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 975 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 897 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 859 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 1002 Views
I disagree. Gher - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 819 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 1123 Views
Two things come to mind... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 1028 Views
I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 949 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 1024 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 977 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 1006 Views
But again... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 905 Views
sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 872 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 863 Views
But here's the thing... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 982 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 863 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. Gher - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 1092 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 855 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 904 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 893 Views
But Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 1016 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 1186 Views
Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 1090 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 938 Views
Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 496 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 951 Views
But that's not how it happened BlackAdder - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 924 Views
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