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Hold on now.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM
Surely Nynaeve would have noticed if the Compulsion started dissipating while she was delving him. Why would Graendal want to make it dissappear after delving? Rand would be on the lookout for Compulsion, so trying to hide it would just make him more suspicious. Besides, even removing simple compulsion will create side effects - look what happened to Elza.


Why would Graendal want to make it dissappear after delving? How about the lack of an evidence trail. As per the removal of simple compulsion and its side effects....we're talking Graendal here. She is the only one in the entire series who is regarded as having a *Talent* for Compulsion. Even the other Forsaken know and acknoweldge this. To underestimate her ability with it is foolish. Do you honestly think that Graendal couldn't make a specific Compulsion weave which would do what she wanted, and then dissipate and have no affects afterwards?


So you want me to believe that Graendal made a weave that hasn't even been hinted at yet, that breaks the rules of compulsion and provides no advantages over normal compulsion? This theory makes even less sense than Graendal predicting Rand would balefire her.


So are you saying that those Deathgate weaves were impossible until Rand/LT busted them out? Creating a whole new weave that the reader hasn't seen before has never been an issue before. Why now?

My theory never said that Graendal had to predict Rand balefiring her. I never said it even once. Instead I said that what would precipitate her leaving was being found out. Each and every female Forsaken has hidden and worked from that vantage point. Something that the men rarely do (Demandred & Asmodean being the exceptions). If all of a sudden, after years of hiding, she's found out....what do you think that she would do? Get out of dodge.

~Jeordam
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So your name is Graendal.... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1629 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 682 Views
She very well... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 876 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 539 Views
Re: She very well... jiggy - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 831 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 581 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 543 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 367 Views
Moghedien.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 635 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 590 Views
Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 796 Views
Re: Yeah..... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 589 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 800 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 602 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 671 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 364 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 550 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 599 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 507 Views
That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 580 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 626 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 534 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 754 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 653 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 496 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 347 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 479 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 346 Views
The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced. Libby - 09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM 740 Views
Yes, pretty much. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 632 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 930 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 698 Views
Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 842 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 645 Views
This could go either way.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 793 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 792 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 682 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 662 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 392 Views
Danke for clarification. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 523 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 652 Views
Its still a game... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 692 Views
I could buy... Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 637 Views
Please, Artsapat - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 637 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 585 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. TaskmasterJack - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 608 Views
So what would you say... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 594 Views
Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 649 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 568 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 326 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 693 Views
Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 520 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 308 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 660 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 587 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 759 Views
I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 617 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 629 Views
Hold on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 769 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 626 Views
Re: Hold on now.... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 640 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 568 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 570 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 639 Views
I disagree. Gher - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 517 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 797 Views
Two things come to mind... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 717 Views
I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 625 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 670 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 663 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 671 Views
But again... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 599 Views
sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 541 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 521 Views
But here's the thing... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 631 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 562 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. Gher - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 754 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 522 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 601 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 554 Views
But Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 658 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 758 Views
Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 740 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 600 Views
Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 336 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 634 Views
But that's not how it happened BlackAdder - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 626 Views
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