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But again... Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM
In this case I think it is, because for the victim to not show any ill effects from being Compulsed (especially by Graendal, who is noted throughout the series for her heavyhandedness there) makes it much more likely that the weave was never there (BF) than that it was there and went away.


Do you remember that part in the book...I don't remember who says it...but they commented that so many forget that Graendal is so far skilled in Compulsion that they often focus on the fact that she is heavy handed, that they do not remember that she is as skilled with the subtler types of Compulsion.

~Jeordam


I think we see that though in the difference between somebody like Kerb compared to her pets...he's much more subtley Compulsed than they are (who can do nothing other than adore and worship her and strive to make her happy). Again, we have no evidence in the books that even subtle compulsion wouldn't have SOME effect on the target when lifted.
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So your name is Graendal.... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 09:18:00 PM 1923 Views
one of the reasons I'm at a loss with her death ... along with the lead-up being clumsy *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 09:36:29 PM 817 Views
She very well... Jeordam - 01/02/2010 11:13:50 PM 1218 Views
Exactly how I feel ... to the letter! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/02/2010 11:17:57 PM 672 Views
Re: She very well... jiggy - 02/02/2010 08:42:17 AM 1276 Views
Ha! "Graendal actually kills Asmodean". A very bold claim. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 10:51:40 AM 718 Views
Bold like saying that water is wet.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:46:54 PM 837 Views
I am now split with a 80% belief it's Graendal and 20% that it's Moghedien *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:11:47 PM 488 Views
Moghedien.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:15:41 PM 973 Views
The a'dam doesn't limit your ability to enter T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:36:26 PM 971 Views
Yeah..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:46:50 PM 1129 Views
Re: Yeah..... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:42:59 PM 875 Views
This brings up a very intersting question... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:30:49 PM 1149 Views
Re: This brings up a very intersting question... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:57:24 PM 857 Views
Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 07:56:33 PM 981 Views
when was Semirhage in an a'dam? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/02/2010 08:48:27 PM 522 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 09:03:54 PM 1005 Views
Egwene was faintly forkrooted, not heavily. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:24:55 PM 891 Views
It was heavy enough to nullify her ability almost completely by TGS RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:04 PM 856 Views
That's still extremely faint. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:10 PM 878 Views
Re: That's still extremely faint. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:34:06 PM 911 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 01:02:13 AM 873 Views
Re: Moghedien? Really? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 03:31:21 PM 1093 Views
The chance that Moggy killed Asmo is actually 0 % Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:32:03 PM 984 Views
*nods* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 09:36:04 PM 805 Views
Well, I completely disagree, but that's another discussion. *NM* Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:07:05 PM 469 Views
Yes, I agree. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:26:13 PM 640 Views
As bad as Sammael's death. *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2010 02:00:02 AM 503 Views
The lead up was clumsy because her death scene was rather forced. Libby - 09/02/2010 11:11:21 PM 1061 Views
Yes, pretty much. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/02/2010 11:21:31 PM 961 Views
Couple of flaws in that reasoning Lord Haart - 02/02/2010 07:56:35 AM 1255 Views
Graendal already has a massive inverted ward around the palace. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 03:23:44 PM 1022 Views
Come on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 04:58:34 PM 1154 Views
IMO Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 05:58:10 PM 950 Views
This could go either way.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:14:21 PM 1081 Views
RE: Strength and Compulsion RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 06:31:13 PM 1085 Views
I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:57:11 PM 959 Views
Re: I never figured that Verin was weak....or even middling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 07:51:15 PM 984 Views
Verin was using her angreal when she compelled. *NM* fionwe1987 - 02/02/2010 08:00:50 PM 529 Views
Danke for clarification. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 08:15:39 PM 812 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 02/02/2010 09:39:18 AM 963 Views
Its still a game... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:09:42 PM 1017 Views
I could buy... Etzel - 02/02/2010 07:16:43 PM 923 Views
Please, Artsapat - 02/02/2010 10:42:00 AM 937 Views
*ha* Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:10:41 PM 929 Views
My name is Graendal? My parents will be so confused. TaskmasterJack - 02/02/2010 02:19:26 PM 897 Views
So what would you say... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 05:12:09 PM 904 Views
Wow. Sareitha Sedai - 02/02/2010 06:00:11 PM 948 Views
Never underestimate.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 06:08:42 PM 858 Views
"Oh, no... Rand is totally going to balefire me!" *NM* TaskmasterJack - 03/02/2010 08:50:26 PM 469 Views
A conclusion with an explanation built around it. Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 10:22:29 PM 988 Views
Hah! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/02/2010 10:38:38 PM 826 Views
I miss Diomedes . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/02/2010 11:07:45 PM 463 Views
So...like the theory of Macro Evolution? People seem to believe that..... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:22:41 PM 1040 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 01:23:06 AM 910 Views
Ok...I'm just saying... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:00:46 PM 1061 Views
I don't mean to make any generalisations about you, and I'm sorry if that's what I sounded like. Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 12:24:34 AM 890 Views
That's ridiculous rAndy aL - 02/02/2010 11:39:41 PM 929 Views
Hold on now.... Jeordam - 02/02/2010 11:51:32 PM 1095 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 02:52:07 AM 910 Views
Re: Hold on now.... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:59:44 PM 961 Views
Re: Hold on now.... Lord Haart - 04/02/2010 04:44:31 AM 877 Views
Your theory breaks down because of something Brandon said. Logain - 03/02/2010 03:49:58 AM 841 Views
Kind of Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 04:10:04 AM 978 Views
I disagree. Gher - 03/02/2010 05:31:39 AM 804 Views
But how many previously unseen weaves have had such huge implications? Lord Haart - 03/02/2010 01:29:15 PM 1102 Views
Two things come to mind... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 03:50:38 PM 1010 Views
I don't really think this is relevant Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 05:03:51 PM 932 Views
There's a difference.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:01:30 PM 997 Views
I know there is. You're the one who brought up the weaves being picked apart Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:37:40 PM 957 Views
*grins* Jeordam - 03/02/2010 06:42:54 PM 979 Views
But again... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 06:59:18 PM 886 Views
sure we do darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:03:40 PM 851 Views
Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:14:24 PM 837 Views
But here's the thing... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 07:36:42 PM 954 Views
I think we disagree with what "subtle" means here. Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:46:20 PM 841 Views
Kerb was more subtle than most, but we've seen subtler. Gher - 04/02/2010 05:16:33 PM 1075 Views
Re: Each of them was at the very least confused/disoriented afterwards. darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:37:58 PM 831 Views
... Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 07:42:07 PM 886 Views
Re: ... darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 07:59:26 PM 871 Views
But Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:04:27 PM 994 Views
I think it would be obvious if Ituralde was acting different darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:18:50 PM 1145 Views
Hrm Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:36:12 PM 1073 Views
It happens in WH when they go to tell her that Moridin is N'B darius_sedai - 03/02/2010 08:43:11 PM 921 Views
Thanks *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 03/02/2010 08:47:29 PM 485 Views
Now try and not lynch me... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 04:08:11 PM 932 Views
But that's not how it happened BlackAdder - 03/02/2010 08:18:59 PM 904 Views
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