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But I think you're misreading the rules of the game. RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM
Ultimately Rand is still always the victor in such Rand vs. a Forsaken climaxes. Therefore - contrary to what RugbyPlayingAshaman said - Rand killing Graendal is consistent with what we saw before; Graendal outsmarting Rand is not.

Ánd Sammael managed to outsmart Graendal in LoC by simply implying that he is Nae'blis..


If we are going to be consistent with characters, Graendal is a character that can't be beaten by violence because she uses her mind as her weapon, thus it makes sense that when he results to using brute force, she isn't there to be caught.

The difference is that Graendal did not attack him directly, unlike the other Forsaken, so he did not have the opportunity to pinpoint where she was, and since he didn't kill her face to face like the other Forsaken he hunted down, it is possible his blow didn't land on her.

Rand used a punch as an example, but Graendal may be an enemy you need to defeat by either playing chess or some other game. IE: She may not have been at the table he thought she was sitting at when he launched his punch. Somewhat like the US military firing rockets in strategic locations where Bin Laden can be, but not being sure if they actually got him or not due to how he operates.
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So your name is Graendal... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 04:38:42 PM 1578 Views
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Nice Sidious - 03/02/2010 05:46:45 PM 728 Views
Well we know she has a weather/temperature warding screen around her palace RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 05:58:27 PM 640 Views
Not really Sidious - 03/02/2010 06:02:27 PM 624 Views
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But... Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 01:03:05 AM 596 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:19:56 AM 776 Views
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Read the books Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:47:23 PM 765 Views
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Thanks! And I just copy pasted... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:03:21 PM 578 Views
Is it really that plausible? Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:18:25 AM 626 Views
Ahhh, but... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 06:22:46 AM 687 Views
Re: Ahhh, but... Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:40:40 PM 623 Views
So your name is Robert Jordan Etzel - 03/02/2010 05:53:43 PM 925 Views
But unfortunately and tragically... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 06:01:15 PM 714 Views
This thought is so grotesque... Etzel - 03/02/2010 07:20:20 PM 665 Views
Re: This thought is so grotesque... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 07:40:01 PM 667 Views
Actually no Forsaken has ever beaten or outsmarted Rand in a confrontation before. Etzel - 03/02/2010 08:50:41 PM 663 Views
Uhhh... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:01:57 PM 777 Views
Yeah, but... Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:21:51 PM 624 Views
But I think you're misreading the rules of the game. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:31:40 PM 589 Views
Rand considers... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:10:59 AM 583 Views
I don't think.... Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:11:03 PM 780 Views
O_O RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2010 09:25:17 PM 615 Views
Yeah, and this is exactly what we see when Rand kills Graendal with a force of light. *NM* Etzel - 03/02/2010 09:29:08 PM 249 Views
When Rand thinks that he kills.... Jeordam - 03/02/2010 09:34:41 PM 628 Views
Well, then we agree, I also think Graendal is definitely dead! *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:06:31 AM 268 Views
He defeats every Forsaken because he doesn't play their game Sidious - 04/02/2010 04:23:23 AM 717 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:11:51 AM 678 Views
I think there is a sexual dynamic here RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2010 04:45:49 PM 598 Views
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That is not true.. fionwe1987 - 03/02/2010 11:50:18 PM 759 Views
This was a typical... Etzel - 04/02/2010 10:17:56 AM 568 Views
There was nothing typical about it! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:48:16 PM 708 Views
Rand wasn't at all afraid of Graendal Etzel - 04/02/2010 09:22:53 PM 671 Views
Of course he was! Even Nynaeve and Min noticed! fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 09:32:52 PM 735 Views
Re: That is not true.. Sidious - 04/02/2010 03:57:56 PM 843 Views
There's a difference between Semirhage's death & Graendal's (possible) death Jeordam - 04/02/2010 06:48:11 PM 856 Views
But RJ/BS brike convention in this book... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2010 08:52:44 PM 772 Views
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Just use the TARDIS. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 04/02/2010 05:04:52 AM 388 Views
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You're offering me a throne? Thanks Siddy, you're my favourite archnemesis! Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 06:16:54 PM 713 Views
A throne of beetles Sidious - 04/02/2010 06:35:58 PM 642 Views
How exactly do you fashion a throne out of live beetles? Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 07:46:42 PM 637 Views
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