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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM
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Bob's theory is an excellent thought process on Asmo's murder. His focus, however, is on the two servants that Rand sees when jumps into Rhavin's throne-room. I simply want to remove the focus on the servants, and instead put it on (a) who the suspects are, and (b) which ones might be "intuitively obvious." I don't even care about picking one out of the four best candidates.

Sammael, Graendal, Slayer, the Gholam, Fain, Mesaana and maybe two others are, as far as I can tell, the only people that could/would have done it. Asmo was extremely shocked to find his attacker, and died with only enough time to get pallid and shout two words.

The DO can't bring Asmo back, and knows of his death in some way, despite the black cord being cut in tSR. The DO either (a) was told by someone/-thing, or (b) will always learn that people are dead, whether or not it's in time to capture their soul.

Balefire (from the One Power) is such a powerful thing that it always seems like it would be noticed by Rand or Aviendha. I include Fain because his location wasn't confirmed and his odd-ass powers (or dagger) might cause Asmo to die irretrievably. And Slayer might have some soul-powers, or might have done something involving Asmo and TaR (maybe killing him and tossing the fresh corpse there would get the soul past the DO?). Luc/Isam seems a better candidate than Fain.

The gholam is also a great candidate for many obvious reasons. All of the prior three make more sense than Mesaana, who I'm simply including because I can't think of a reason to exclude her. I don't know why Bob excludes her in his theory (maybe Jordan said it wasn't her?), so she's still possible.

Sammael and Graendal must (like Moghedien and Rhavin) have known that Rand was going to attack Rhavin the day after the Lanfear mess. Moghedien knew when Rand was attacking, so they would have had a timeline to work with. They are probably the best candidates. Given their inclusion in Rahvin's plans, it would be "intuitively obvious" that one of them did it.

The other two? If Lanfear made her way through the Aelfinn - or even wished him dead - in her original body, she could easily have been spying on Rand at the time. THAT would certainly explain Asmodean's extreme shock and fear. I believe that Lanfear's knowledge got her through the 'Finn more or less fine (trading some of her Power), then she was killed by the Dark and brought back just to teach her a lesson. I love this idea, but the only problem I find is that she wouldn't just attack Rand right after. Given how often she threatened him though, it would be "intuitively obvious" that she did it.

Or, Taim could have done it. The Shadow knew Rand had a dark teacher. It makes sense for them to think to replace Asmo with one of their own. Asmo's knowledge, both of power and darkfriends, would make him a threat to Taim (he's gotta be a DF). Asmo certainly would have done many of the things that Taim conveniently appeared to do (and he knew them already). And once Taim got the chance, I think he was trying to set himself up as a teacher/superior (through his displays of knowledge and usefulness). Given the fact that Taim appeared shortly after Asmo's death and sort of took over Asmo's role, it would be "intuitively obvious" that he did it.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 1844 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 644 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 659 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 666 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 522 Views
Fair enough.... - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 698 Views
I think... - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 587 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 244 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 390 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 485 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 515 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 516 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 498 Views
As far as I'm concerned... - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 510 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 504 Views
Correction... - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 455 Views
So, basically... - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 489 Views
The clues are there? - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 496 Views
Re: The clues are there? - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 477 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 530 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 527 Views
Apparently... - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 503 Views
No it isn't. - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 489 Views
You don't understand... - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 513 Views
Re: You don't understand... - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 512 Views
Re: You don't understand... - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 480 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 492 Views
Both merged into one being - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 524 Views
Not what I asked. - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 472 Views
If he couldn't do this... - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 505 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 468 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 521 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 250 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 554 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 483 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 452 Views
Dude - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 440 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 575 Views
be nice *NM* - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 230 Views
One last time... - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 489 Views
Re: One last time... - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 490 Views
No... - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 495 Views
Re: No... - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 483 Views
So... - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 469 Views
Re: So... - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 576 Views
Egwene did it though - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 492 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 473 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 241 Views
But we don't actually see that - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 468 Views
Hmm. True, that. - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 423 Views
I see what you are saying now - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 421 Views
Yep - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 453 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 440 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 461 Views
First rule of balefire: - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 445 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 473 Views
On the servants theory - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 446 Views
Rand's odd wounds - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 440 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 530 Views
RJ said that. *NM* - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 428 Views
Do you have that quote handy? - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 462 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 440 Views
Here: - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 450 Views
thanks! good job *NM* - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 204 Views
You dont address all the criteria - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 446 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 202 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 445 Views
Exactly my point. - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 461 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 500 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 220 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 194 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 466 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 435 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 493 Views

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