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Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM
You can either enter TAR in the dream or in the flesh (some can do both). If you enter TAR in the flesh, you are there in the flesh. Slayer/Luc is in TAR in the flesh and thus entered TAR in the flesh before. If you can enter TAR in the flesh, you can naturally do it everywhere in the Real World, similar to leaving TAR at any location. From this ability, obviously given by the DO, and Slayer's apparent profession as hitman/assassin/bounty hunter for the Shadow, one can also deduce the other things, e.g. that Slayer likely killed the BA or the Gray Man.


No, that doesn't follow. You have already stated that Slayer is not a normal Dreamer/Dreamwalker and has abilities that they don't. That you now fall back on the rules that apply to Dreamwalkers as being inviolable to support your point is contradictory.

Nothing necessarily indicates that Slayer is a Dreamwalker. I explained why it makes sense that he went back to Emond's Field, after he was shot. And obviously this also wasn't meant as a clue by RJ to indicate that Slayer is a Dreamwalker, contrary to what Hopper said, because Slayer actually uses TAR in the flesh. You simply interpreted this scene wrongly.


It only makes sense if you fit the evidence to the desired conclusion, not if you try to find the conclusion best suited top the evidence. There is nothing to show that Slayer picked up anything invaluable in his room. There is nothing to show that Slayer travelled any distance at all after being shot by Perrin rather than simply leave the Dream. You only assume these things because you need to in order for your conclusion to be valid. For people who have not already read Winter's Heart, there is no reason to make these assumptions.
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Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson newyorkersedai - 22/03/2010 01:53:54 AM 2051 Views
idle speculation != "Intuitivly obvious" Nargs - 22/03/2010 03:01:10 AM 840 Views
The best explanation for the "intuitively obvious"-comment is... Etzel - 22/03/2010 09:41:32 AM 877 Views
So again...how would Slayer know he was in the hallway? Jeordam - 22/03/2010 03:18:51 PM 1002 Views
I think Slayer spied on Asmo Etzel - 22/03/2010 03:45:20 PM 717 Views
Fair enough.... Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:25:25 PM 994 Views
I think... Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:31:41 AM 820 Views
I agree. Slayer is the most intuitively obvious candidate. *NM* Narg - 22/03/2010 06:29:07 PM 356 Views
Slayer....the book4 minor villian? *NM* Jeordam - 22/03/2010 06:34:52 PM 608 Views
Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. Etzel - 23/03/2010 09:11:39 AM 703 Views
Re: Slayer actually was a major villian in TSR. darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:16:59 PM 738 Views
In my view, Graendal might have sent Slayer, which would explain her knowledge. *NM* Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:45:14 AM 748 Views
Actually that's one of my hang-ups about Slayer too darius_sedai - 06/04/2010 02:27:22 PM 716 Views
As far as I'm concerned... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:42:53 AM 718 Views
The problem is that people don't read the books or at least ignore what is said about Slayer... Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:41:09 AM 721 Views
Correction... Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 05:22:46 PM 643 Views
So, basically... Etzel - 25/03/2010 05:50:42 PM 686 Views
The clues are there? Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:29:16 PM 719 Views
Re: The clues are there? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 12:51:43 AM 686 Views
He wasn't being insulting, I don't think. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 02:16:26 AM 777 Views
well, RJ was a nuclear engineer. 'Nuff said about obviousness, huh? newyorkersedai - 26/03/2010 04:38:00 AM 800 Views
Apparently... Etzel - 26/03/2010 08:58:32 AM 743 Views
No it isn't. Fanatic-Templar - 26/03/2010 05:43:02 PM 695 Views
You don't understand... Etzel - 27/03/2010 09:11:35 AM 728 Views
Re: You don't understand... Fanatic-Templar - 27/03/2010 05:23:35 PM 734 Views
Re: You don't understand... newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:17:40 PM 696 Views
Yes, it's Winter's Heart. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 04:01:41 AM 694 Views
Both merged into one being Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:43:47 AM 750 Views
Not what I asked. Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 06:10:42 PM 664 Views
If he couldn't do this... Etzel - 29/03/2010 06:59:16 PM 718 Views
Re: If he couldn't do this... Fanatic-Templar - 29/03/2010 07:46:39 PM 675 Views
That Basel Gill comparison just silly... Etzel - 29/03/2010 08:49:19 PM 738 Views
Clearly, one of you has proved that Basel Gill is Demandred *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:12:00 PM 339 Views
I've asked you only one question, repeatedly. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 12:34:44 AM 734 Views
Yeah, and I repeatedly tried to show you the clues... Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:17:59 AM 691 Views
You have never provided anything even resembling evidence. Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 08:20:54 PM 645 Views
Dude Etzel - 30/03/2010 09:49:05 PM 626 Views
You know what's really embarrassing? Fanatic-Templar - 30/03/2010 10:28:38 PM 790 Views
be nice *NM* saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 01:22:03 AM 340 Views
One last time... Etzel - 31/03/2010 09:18:01 AM 691 Views
Re: One last time... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:20:24 PM 715 Views
No... Etzel - 31/03/2010 06:31:57 PM 713 Views
Re: No... Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 11:43:42 PM 694 Views
So... Etzel - 01/04/2010 10:22:31 AM 661 Views
Re: So... Fanatic-Templar - 01/04/2010 06:41:34 PM 793 Views
Egwene did it though darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 02:26:10 AM 692 Views
Not before Lord of Chaos she didn't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 08:03:12 AM 697 Views
Rand does it in the end of TFoH, though, shortly before Asmo's death. *NM* Etzel - 09/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 351 Views
But we don't actually see that darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:23:37 PM 686 Views
But why would he return to his starting point, makes no sense. Etzel - 09/04/2010 12:44:21 PM 772 Views
by your argument Rand should have re-entered the waking world outside to join that battle darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 07:58:26 PM 714 Views
Hmm. True, that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:28:15 PM 603 Views
I see what you are saying now darius_sedai - 09/04/2010 12:08:00 PM 633 Views
Yep Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2010 07:27:27 PM 654 Views
A question on balefire/2 servants The Angry Druid - 24/03/2010 04:31:49 PM 654 Views
Re: A question on balefire/2 servants TaskmasterJack - 24/03/2010 05:03:32 PM 704 Views
First rule of balefire: Fanatic-Templar - 25/03/2010 06:44:17 AM 666 Views
Re: First rule of balefire: Whatever RJ wants to undo from it is what BF does! darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 06:59:04 PM 647 Views
Yep, that's my understanding too. Gher - 25/03/2010 07:00:39 PM 699 Views
On the servants theory Etzel - 25/03/2010 11:33:08 AM 653 Views
Rand's odd wounds newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 02:48:58 AM 632 Views
RJ said that special properties of TAR was responsible for the wounds. Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:47:01 AM 635 Views
Who says the Dark One couldn't bring Asmodean back? Why would he want to? Cannoli - 25/03/2010 05:50:55 AM 746 Views
RJ said that. *NM* Etzel - 25/03/2010 09:31:32 AM 639 Views
Do you have that quote handy? darius_sedai - 28/03/2010 07:01:06 PM 648 Views
From memory, but can't find the URL newyorkersedai - 28/03/2010 08:09:29 PM 650 Views
Here: Etzel - 29/03/2010 09:48:36 AM 641 Views
thanks! good job *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/03/2010 10:13:12 PM 317 Views
You dont address all the criteria saidarisnowtainted - 30/03/2010 11:27:58 PM 665 Views
Did you mean me? *NM* newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:54:56 AM 309 Views
@Fanatic-Templar: Proof Slayer can't travel through T'A'R... BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 03:54:19 AM 674 Views
Exactly my point. Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 05:02:41 AM 654 Views
Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes newyorkersedai - 31/03/2010 05:56:46 AM 699 Views
Lan can swordfight with his boots? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/03/2010 06:41:53 AM 329 Views
I don't think so... read again *NM* BlackAdder - 31/03/2010 10:54:03 PM 312 Views
Re: Maybe none of it matters anyway, Slayer will go down like a punk and I know how it goes saidarisnowtainted - 31/03/2010 03:52:16 PM 704 Views
thanks! but as soon as I posted newyorkersedai - 01/04/2010 03:43:59 AM 644 Views
Re: Intuitively obvious, my dear Watson saidarisnowtainted - 14/05/2010 01:28:38 AM 708 Views
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