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Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla Send a noteboard - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM
...between the colorful, prideful world that many of the characters think they inhabit, and the brutal reality that Martin frequently reminds us of.

It's an interesting reminder of how unhealthy this universe's societies really are, and the things they do to try to hide from that fact.

Or maybe I'm reading to much into it.


Oh, I like the contrast he sets up. I am just not sure that the catalogues of banners are the best device for that.
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A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 13/08/2012 10:48:37 PM 20756 Views
Fascinating. Legolas - 13/08/2012 11:40:22 PM 2889 Views
Re: Fascinating. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:23:13 AM 2652 Views
Mainly the names. Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:07:21 AM 2607 Views
Regarding Daenerys as Henry Tudor Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:36:37 AM 2750 Views
Not really. Legolas - 14/08/2012 07:01:36 PM 2854 Views
Shocking Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:49:18 AM 2814 Views
On the Rape issue.... djwilson300 - 14/08/2012 01:19:35 AM 2711 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... dacole - 14/08/2012 02:02:42 AM 2594 Views
Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2741 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2570 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2659 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2605 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. dacole - 14/08/2012 04:37:17 PM 2632 Views
Re: Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:39:31 AM 2841 Views
I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 2887 Views
Re: On the Rape issue.... Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:17:55 AM 2561 Views
How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2735 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 2848 Views
That was her only sex scene, until she induces him to have outdoor sex to get pregnant Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:20:09 PM 2645 Views
It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2684 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1444 Views
House Banners/Sigils imlad - 21/08/2012 04:56:07 PM 2650 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin dacole - 14/08/2012 02:08:59 AM 2511 Views
Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2637 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2771 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2552 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2565 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 2877 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2593 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2520 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2850 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2566 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2671 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1300 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1345 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1313 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2481 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2767 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2665 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2723 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2713 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2488 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2633 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2488 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2744 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2689 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2764 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2696 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2550 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2675 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2295 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1575 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1360 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1440 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1327 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1430 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1382 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1324 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1487 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1194 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1449 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1394 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1265 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1346 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1249 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1417 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1286 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2460 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2536 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2765 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 3175 Views
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