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I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen Send a noteboard - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM
I mean, I see why the show did it the way they did to get the effect they wanted (a TV show can't convey the emotional distress of Daenerys' situation as well as a running stream of consciousness in the novel), but it seems to me that Camilla's perspective has been skewed by seeing someone else's interpretation first.

In the book, Drogo does not impose himself by force, and seeks and obtains her verbal consent and even participation, at least in the part shown.


Did Dany really have the capacity to refuse? To that end, I still would consider it rape.
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Firstly, Camilla is a she. Secondly, though I won't speak for her, regarding the rape in the novels, Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 02:23:19 AM 2907 Views
When does he use rape in an erotic manner? A Deathwatch Guard - 14/08/2012 05:48:59 AM 2740 Views
like all the time. Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:45:42 PM 2839 Views
Camilla is indeed a she. Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:18:58 AM 2785 Views
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I for one never saw any of the rapes as erotic imlad - 21/08/2012 05:04:11 PM 3114 Views
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How is that a violent rape? At worst it would be statutory rape. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:53:44 AM 2926 Views
The wedding night is statutory. I would describe the later rapes as fairly violent. Camilla - 17/08/2012 12:13:26 PM 3028 Views
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It is not necessary to provide a scene Camilla - 17/08/2012 10:49:20 PM 2821 Views
I believe that what is happening here is called confirmation bias *NM* Kotagg - 21/08/2012 06:23:38 PM 1544 Views
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Re: A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin Camilla - 14/08/2012 06:25:11 AM 2788 Views
I think you misread one part Dark Knight - 14/08/2012 04:51:34 PM 2945 Views
I think that the Rhaegar and Lyanna stuff does look like rape in the first book Stephen - 14/08/2012 08:10:27 PM 2709 Views
"Looks like" is this case meaning "explicitly stated to be that way"? Cannoli - 17/08/2012 11:56:48 AM 2718 Views
Currently kicking myself Camilla - 15/08/2012 06:43:36 AM 3046 Views
Re: Currently kicking myself Stephen - 16/08/2012 10:11:01 AM 2760 Views
what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... temeraire - 15/08/2012 01:21:38 AM 2671 Views
Re: what a great review. you echo my thoughts quite a bit... Camilla - 15/08/2012 07:39:24 AM 2992 Views
philippa gregory co-authored a book "the women of the cousins' war" - it was very interesting temeraire - 16/08/2012 07:54:50 PM 2730 Views
Wait...why would you waste time reading this fluff series when it's out on TV? Tom - 16/08/2012 12:10:32 AM 2882 Views
Trollolololololololllll *NM* Kotagg - 16/08/2012 01:02:22 AM 1391 Views
Se noteboard. *NM* Camilla - 16/08/2012 06:29:39 AM 1443 Views
Game, set, and match *NM* Praziquantel - 18/08/2012 03:50:38 PM 1407 Views
I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... lord-of-shadow - 16/08/2012 11:52:40 PM 2634 Views
Re: I always liked the banners and pageantry - it creates an interesting contrast... Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:33:24 AM 2909 Views
I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Werthead - 17/08/2012 12:20:16 AM 2850 Views
Re: I think the TV series handles the problematic Dany/Drogo relationship better Camilla - 17/08/2012 06:40:12 AM 2913 Views
I think it messed it up by showing forced intercourse without the verbal consent Drogo DID obtain Cannoli - 17/08/2012 12:07:14 PM 2898 Views
I still find it difficult to read it as anything other than a coerced consent Stephen - 17/08/2012 01:08:15 PM 2650 Views
A perpetrator-less crime then. Cannoli - 17/08/2012 07:26:26 PM 2795 Views
Exactly! I'm on board, Cannoli. Kotagg - 18/08/2012 07:45:56 PM 2650 Views
You are missing the point. Camilla - 18/08/2012 11:11:33 PM 2903 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Werthead - 19/08/2012 01:25:30 PM 2869 Views
Re: You are missing the point. Camilla - 19/08/2012 01:40:11 PM 2968 Views
So, you're saying that Juliet was raped by Romeo??? imlad - 21/08/2012 05:24:56 PM 2859 Views
The later books do add more context and change some of this snoopcester - 19/08/2012 12:08:49 AM 2710 Views
Re: The later books do add more context and change some of this Camilla - 19/08/2012 07:27:59 AM 2831 Views
That makes sense snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:35:36 PM 2467 Views
Jesus Christ another fucking thread about rape and fantasy. Dan - 19/08/2012 01:47:43 AM 1686 Views
Perhaps if reading other people's views makes you so angry, you should avoid reading them? *NM* snoopcester - 19/08/2012 02:37:03 PM 1465 Views
High blood pressure can kill, I hear. *NM* Camilla - 19/08/2012 03:33:14 PM 1529 Views
Nonsense. nossy - 19/08/2012 03:33:39 PM 1434 Views
Fixed it for you. Dan - 19/08/2012 08:22:18 PM 1527 Views
Oh, but that takes us back to snoop being right, and I'm sorry, but I just cannot abide that. nossy - 19/08/2012 10:56:10 PM 1474 Views
Shake the sand out of your vagina bitch. *NM* everynametaken - 20/08/2012 06:35:32 AM 1431 Views
Gosh, this is really turning into something fun. nossy - 20/08/2012 07:15:01 AM 1578 Views
Here I was about to make a "whee misogyny" post. I never get to have fun. *NM* Ghavrel - 20/08/2012 09:09:04 AM 1293 Views
Huh. I just came to the odd realization... Legolas - 20/08/2012 08:29:56 PM 1537 Views
Don't lock it! Dan - 21/08/2012 05:11:34 AM 1491 Views
Yes, I'm aware, or I might have locked it already. Legolas - 21/08/2012 06:17:29 PM 1362 Views
I'd ask that you do lock it. Stephen - 21/08/2012 10:00:48 PM 1445 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2012 06:26:04 PM 1355 Views
I may join you Camilla - 20/08/2012 10:14:50 PM 1515 Views
COME AT ME BRO *NM* Dan - 21/08/2012 05:09:34 AM 1387 Views
The interesting part is... ? - 28/08/2012 01:39:49 AM 2609 Views
That is the best written and most insightful review of that book I have read random thoughts - 01/09/2012 05:38:00 PM 2703 Views
I forgot that I was supposed to read all threads to watch out for Bad Behaviour. Rebekah - 01/09/2012 11:09:52 PM 2953 Views
i'm rereading the series now and yeah there is a LOT of rape Foxhead - 14/09/2012 04:38:27 PM 3391 Views
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