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Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM
precisely because I don't feel like actually utilizing any substantial part of my brain after taking three languages. So I'm reading WoT, and Honor Harrington, and other things ranging from utter trash to rather wonderful trash. But that's not something to do throughout the summer, too.

By which I mean: books are fun, but they should be more than fun at times.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

Ghavrel is Ghavrel is Ghavrel

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In Support of Other Fiction - 01/12/2009 09:06:14 PM 2161 Views
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Wow...we were just Santified *NM* - 03/12/2009 09:16:21 PM 619 Views
Well, let me offer a diverging view on the topic of speculative fiction. - 01/12/2009 09:46:35 PM 1137 Views
I would counter that the stripping away removes a level of reality. - 01/12/2009 10:05:28 PM 1243 Views
That's a Slippery Slope Because You Could Argue On the Same Basis That All Fiction Does That. - 01/12/2009 11:34:34 PM 1271 Views
I don't see the slippery slope, but rather, a confirmation of my original point. - 02/12/2009 01:41:24 AM 1226 Views
perhaps some university will do a study - 03/12/2009 03:55:54 PM 1199 Views
I'd like to see it - 03/12/2009 09:15:12 PM 1246 Views
I'll get to it once I finish my thesis - 03/12/2009 09:56:29 PM 1172 Views
If it looks like crap and smells like crap... - 03/12/2009 10:04:15 PM 1193 Views
I Think I'll Post a Thread on This. - 03/12/2009 06:47:05 PM 1149 Views
I'd like to see it. - 03/12/2009 09:23:07 PM 1203 Views
Regarding depth in Jordan - 03/12/2009 09:31:19 PM 1172 Views
I was thinking about that too - 03/12/2009 10:05:40 PM 1163 Views
Re: I was thinking about that too - 03/12/2009 10:09:26 PM 1268 Views
Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. - 03/12/2009 10:18:08 PM 1164 Views
Re: Destroying the Wheel is meaningless. - 03/12/2009 10:30:15 PM 1195 Views
I Totally Missed That. - 04/12/2009 10:45:56 PM 1251 Views
Re: I Totally Missed That. - 04/12/2009 10:47:59 PM 1242 Views
I Don't Believe It Cursory, But Comparative. - 04/12/2009 11:29:36 PM 1322 Views
Publication bookend Y2K? - 05/12/2009 10:36:01 AM 1243 Views
They're Thick Bookends. - 05/12/2009 06:12:06 PM 1180 Views
I'll Try to Have It Up Tomorrow Early. - 04/12/2009 11:24:18 PM 1273 Views
I like it. - 01/12/2009 10:28:48 PM 1197 Views
Thank you! - 02/12/2009 01:43:05 AM 1343 Views
I find Michel Houellebecq to be one of the most intriguing writers of our time - 01/12/2009 11:14:05 PM 1285 Views
And, in recent memory, Orwell was a first-rate writer. - 02/12/2009 01:44:29 AM 1272 Views
wait! there's somebody "dirtier" than Piers Anthony or Philip Jose Farmer??? - 03/12/2009 04:00:28 PM 1246 Views
PJF is dirty? - 04/12/2009 12:16:12 AM 1108 Views
Nice post. - 02/12/2009 12:03:09 AM 1294 Views
Perhaps you're right. - 02/12/2009 01:47:10 AM 1155 Views
In its entirety? No. - 02/12/2009 02:00:10 PM 1199 Views
I agree! - 02/12/2009 12:17:10 AM 1404 Views
Thank you! - 02/12/2009 01:50:22 AM 1115 Views
I guess I'll break my silence after almost a month and a half... - 02/12/2009 12:23:07 AM 1298 Views
Popcorn? - 02/12/2009 12:31:44 AM 1229 Views
Yes - 02/12/2009 12:39:10 AM 1275 Views
Lovecraft? - 02/12/2009 12:51:55 AM 1261 Views
Re-read what I said - 02/12/2009 12:55:08 AM 1318 Views
aahh - 02/12/2009 09:26:40 AM 1188 Views
Larry, please tell me you weren't... - 03/12/2009 04:33:32 PM 1051 Views
I concur - 02/12/2009 12:27:13 AM 1160 Views
I like your framing of the issue (and Shannara is the Taco Bell of writing). - 02/12/2009 02:03:51 AM 1236 Views
Thank you - 02/12/2009 09:30:42 AM 1170 Views
more like the mom&pop greasy-spoon diner of writing *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:00:21 PM 565 Views
I'm going to put this in my sig, if you don't mind. - 02/12/2009 03:31:13 AM 1244 Views
hehehe - 02/12/2009 09:31:28 AM 1126 Views
Am i the only one who reads books for fun? - 02/12/2009 12:33:52 AM 1279 Views
There isn't necessarily a contradiction - 02/12/2009 12:38:43 AM 1226 Views
I certainly didn't read The Lost Symbol for ANY cultural, intellectual or edifying reason. - 02/12/2009 02:05:45 AM 1177 Views
it didn't come across that way - 03/12/2009 05:15:36 PM 1201 Views
Of course not. Personally, I don't touch anything other than mind candy when I'm in school, - 02/12/2009 03:29:23 AM 1153 Views
one of the things that is important to me in books/shows - 03/12/2009 05:20:29 PM 1100 Views
We agree! - 03/12/2009 08:03:00 PM 1182 Views
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a science fiction/fantasy movie. - 02/12/2009 12:54:08 AM 1243 Views
i was gonna point that out. thnks. *NM* - 02/12/2009 01:13:47 AM 518 Views
Reading only speculative literature is limiting and monotonous. - 02/12/2009 02:09:42 AM 1271 Views
I was going to say exactly that about "real" literature: monotonous and limiting. - 02/12/2009 01:57:49 PM 1184 Views
I think his point was that only SF/F wasn't good food. - 02/12/2009 02:15:29 PM 1166 Views
I would not disagree with you if you said that. - 02/12/2009 02:27:08 PM 1109 Views
Most non-speculative fiction is fluff as well though. - 03/12/2009 05:38:32 PM 1107 Views
hear hear!! I agree totally wert-man - 03/12/2009 07:20:09 PM 1171 Views
Which brings us back to my point. - 03/12/2009 08:04:24 PM 1225 Views
Actually, it is a film that does not fit neatly into one category - 02/12/2009 11:16:20 AM 1233 Views
Science Fiction is the most PERTINANT form of fiction in the world today - 02/12/2009 12:57:19 AM 1179 Views
don't get me wrong - 02/12/2009 01:28:08 AM 1206 Views
SF&F and 'real literature' are not mutually exclusive - 02/12/2009 01:19:05 AM 1170 Views
No, they are not - 02/12/2009 02:18:53 AM 1181 Views
This line is a load of bull - 03/12/2009 02:39:53 PM 1293 Views
So why don't we occasionally focus on "real" books that are technically spec fiction? - 02/12/2009 01:25:04 AM 1142 Views
Why must we limit our focus in that way? - 02/12/2009 02:20:11 AM 1149 Views
I don't see it as limiting or forcing. - 02/12/2009 03:16:07 AM 1155 Views
"Elite club" or "elitist clique"? - 02/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1146 Views
Either way, I want in. *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:33:52 AM 605 Views
Elite club is how we midwestern rednecks refer to Elitist Clique. *chews on a piece of hay* - 02/12/2009 02:52:01 PM 1299 Views
I was born in the Midwest. - 02/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 1199 Views
I know. - 02/12/2009 03:12:05 PM 1134 Views
Green Acres in reverse, eh? - 02/12/2009 03:38:09 PM 1178 Views
lmao - 02/12/2009 06:21:17 PM 1331 Views
*piledrivers you* - 02/12/2009 06:28:02 PM 1111 Views
...! - 02/12/2009 03:17:57 PM 1147 Views
Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. - 02/12/2009 03:29:31 PM 1164 Views
Re: Admit it. You know what I'm talking about. - 02/12/2009 03:31:26 PM 1113 Views
Vermont isn't in the Midwest. - 02/12/2009 03:39:36 PM 1115 Views
Re: Vermont isn't in the Midwest. - 02/12/2009 03:42:47 PM 1169 Views
Huh! I really didn't think of you as being a masochist. - 02/12/2009 01:51:55 AM 1145 Views
Thank you! - 02/12/2009 02:21:00 AM 1040 Views
Shitstorm! - 02/12/2009 03:06:59 AM 1107 Views
Heh heh heh. - 02/12/2009 03:45:40 AM 1157 Views
Read what you like to read. - 02/12/2009 04:18:53 AM 1240 Views
I'll super size you. Fine. *NM* - 02/12/2009 04:32:58 AM 568 Views
Oh noes! I'm getting word-fat! - 02/12/2009 04:59:05 AM 1159 Views
I seem to have struck a nerve. - 02/12/2009 05:20:27 AM 1192 Views
Apparently not the nerve you think, though. - 02/12/2009 06:42:02 AM 1263 Views
Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. - 02/12/2009 02:13:10 PM 1156 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. - 02/12/2009 03:26:59 PM 1186 Views
Agreed. - 02/12/2009 03:30:50 PM 1105 Views
Re: Agreed. - 02/12/2009 03:32:06 PM 1103 Views
Re: Intellectual achievement isn't a static measure. - 02/12/2009 09:40:28 PM 1229 Views
I really did get under your skin - 02/12/2009 09:58:18 PM 1097 Views
- 02/12/2009 10:06:46 PM 1092 Views
Tom as much as you raise some great points, you are being a condescending ass. - 03/12/2009 04:26:27 AM 1175 Views
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't care. - 03/12/2009 04:51:18 AM 1127 Views
I keep replying. It's like a sickness. - 03/12/2009 05:15:28 AM 1145 Views
Your subject line reinforces my opinion. - 03/12/2009 05:31:50 AM 1068 Views
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. *NM* - 03/12/2009 07:21:05 AM 558 Views
LOL! - 04/12/2009 12:21:36 AM 1117 Views
See, you just proved my point. - 04/12/2009 12:39:59 AM 1160 Views
Hm. - 02/12/2009 06:58:56 AM 1758 Views
Re-read my exact point. - 02/12/2009 02:18:20 PM 1098 Views
No. Some kind of reading is indeed essential. - 02/12/2009 02:28:22 PM 1258 Views
Somehow I get the feeling that this post hasn't caused quite as much controversy - 02/12/2009 06:53:18 AM 1260 Views
As I see it... - 02/12/2009 11:38:07 AM 1152 Views
Yep. - 02/12/2009 02:18:22 PM 1297 Views
Re: Yep. - 02/12/2009 03:35:38 PM 1159 Views
Euripides was poorly received, initially. - 02/12/2009 03:57:58 PM 1076 Views
Re: Euripides was poorly received, initially. - 02/12/2009 04:00:35 PM 1101 Views
I know. - 02/12/2009 04:18:16 PM 1172 Views
Re: I know. - 02/12/2009 04:23:14 PM 1111 Views
That is why he's so good, in my opinion. - 02/12/2009 06:15:45 PM 1266 Views
All reading of fiction is a diversion by the very nature of the activity. - 02/12/2009 03:43:05 PM 1138 Views
Diversion from direct action, yes. Diversion from reality, no. - 02/12/2009 04:15:48 PM 1122 Views
I maintain that all acts of reading fiction are a diversion from reality/ the realistic - 02/12/2009 05:43:16 PM 1137 Views
It seems a regressive argument to me. - 03/12/2009 01:18:02 AM 1093 Views
You're playing a game. - 03/12/2009 03:40:14 PM 1176 Views
I like your response. *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:37:09 PM 529 Views
I fundamentally agree with much of what you're saying, but there is a distinction. - 03/12/2009 06:44:02 PM 1162 Views
Oh I concur on that distinction. - 04/12/2009 09:06:34 PM 1212 Views
Spec fic is perhaps at it's best in autocracies? - 02/12/2009 04:10:56 PM 1084 Views
Bulgakov - 02/12/2009 04:25:17 PM 1153 Views
I've only read the first chapter of M&M. - 02/12/2009 04:36:09 PM 1121 Views
Re: I've only read the first chapter of M&M. - 02/12/2009 04:40:16 PM 1074 Views
Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. - 02/12/2009 05:17:31 PM 1117 Views
Re: Not the greatest Tolkien scholar, me. - 02/12/2009 05:40:16 PM 1165 Views
I suppose. - 02/12/2009 06:26:30 PM 1155 Views
Re: I suppose. - 02/12/2009 07:25:26 PM 1158 Views
Well, I don't hold escapism in such low esteem *NM* - 02/12/2009 07:56:13 PM 561 Views
That is what I mean - 02/12/2009 08:36:02 PM 1084 Views
This was something I was exploring earlier. - 02/12/2009 04:34:41 PM 1192 Views
Funny thing about the hivemind antagonist. - 02/12/2009 05:13:30 PM 1148 Views
I didn't see the zombies reading speculative fiction - 02/12/2009 05:30:26 PM 1224 Views
Oh, they prefer Clive Cussler. - 02/12/2009 06:23:42 PM 1204 Views
i think it comes more down to quality than genre. - 02/12/2009 04:55:20 PM 1175 Views
I disagree with the ultimate conclusion but agree with many of your points. - 02/12/2009 05:43:04 PM 1122 Views
the illiad is a classic - 02/12/2009 06:35:24 PM 1159 Views
There's only one "L" in Iliad - 02/12/2009 08:18:38 PM 1126 Views
Is there a safe answer to that question? *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:33:21 PM 586 Views
Maybe not. *NM* - 03/12/2009 12:59:09 AM 550 Views
It took me a few minutes to agree - 02/12/2009 07:04:59 PM 1124 Views
Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! - 02/12/2009 09:13:26 PM 1142 Views
Re: Well, I'm glad if you got something out of the post! - 02/12/2009 09:20:49 PM 1108 Views
I don't know. I've only read about 30 pages so far. *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:05:54 PM 588 Views
Many people have mentioned that there's quite a bit of good sff lit out there and you seem to agree. - 02/12/2009 07:33:42 PM 1246 Views
Hmmm - 02/12/2009 08:40:53 PM 1141 Views
Re: Hmmm - 02/12/2009 10:48:02 PM 1161 Views
The website is called "Read and Find Out". It doesn't specify what we're supposed to read. - 02/12/2009 08:42:19 PM 1215 Views
Anti the idea ? I see no evidence for this. - 02/12/2009 09:50:37 PM 1169 Views
Heh - 02/12/2009 09:56:30 PM 1170 Views
What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom - 03/12/2009 11:01:08 AM 1133 Views
Re: What do you mean ? Almost all the repliers agree with Tom - 03/12/2009 11:10:35 AM 1164 Views
I see. You don't read announcements. - 03/12/2009 11:12:04 AM 1112 Views
No, but it does bill itself as science fiction/fantasy. - 02/12/2009 10:51:41 PM 1246 Views
Yes. - 03/12/2009 12:01:30 AM 1243 Views
I think Rebekah and Camilla put it well. - 02/12/2009 10:05:24 PM 1222 Views
I think they make good points, as I said above. - 02/12/2009 10:56:55 PM 1120 Views
I agree with in principle - 02/12/2009 11:22:19 PM 1097 Views
Certainly. People are free to skip any discussion. - 03/12/2009 01:01:40 AM 1223 Views
I have a few objections. - 03/12/2009 12:24:43 AM 1177 Views
where else should we talk about it? - 03/12/2009 12:37:26 AM 1139 Views
random thoughts stole my subject line - 03/12/2009 01:56:07 AM 1197 Views
I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy - 03/12/2009 02:12:01 AM 1205 Views
Re: I think I could agree with a "comfort food" analogy - 03/12/2009 02:38:17 AM 1253 Views
That's it - 03/12/2009 04:02:28 AM 1262 Views
Question: is it really science fiction without one of the following: - 03/12/2009 05:13:21 AM 1178 Views
Certainly - 03/12/2009 06:13:38 AM 1235 Views
technically speaking, fantasy is classed as a sub heading under science fiction. *NM* - 03/12/2009 02:51:12 PM 478 Views
According to whom? *NM* - 03/12/2009 03:55:45 PM 612 Views
Yeah. What she asked! *NM* - 03/12/2009 09:23:55 PM 586 Views
Yes, it is but actually... - 03/12/2009 09:31:44 PM 1166 Views
Eternal Sunshine doesn't have a mad scientist. - 03/12/2009 10:09:01 PM 1092 Views
Really? - 04/12/2009 07:01:42 PM 1136 Views
But Dan Brown rocks da house!!! *NM* - 03/12/2009 02:16:47 AM 583 Views
*pumps fist* Give it up for Dan Brown! *NM* - 03/12/2009 03:58:23 AM 573 Views
That's Dan "booyah" Brown!!! Booyah!!! *NM* - 04/12/2009 02:00:56 AM 588 Views
another thing wrong with your argument - 03/12/2009 03:30:19 PM 1152 Views
Absolutely not. And, as I said before, there's only one "L" in Iliad. - 03/12/2009 06:53:35 PM 970 Views
sorry about my atrocious spelling (including the one on pertinent) - 03/12/2009 07:14:59 PM 1277 Views
No problem. On the substantive points: - 03/12/2009 08:00:33 PM 1205 Views
more importantly, which I think it being lost in all this, - 03/12/2009 08:05:27 PM 1177 Views
I'm not reading the Iliad again, once was enough - 04/12/2009 12:19:07 PM 1127 Views
Congratulations on the replies count - 03/12/2009 09:30:41 PM 1279 Views
That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. - 03/12/2009 10:50:29 PM 1190 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. - 04/12/2009 07:44:56 PM 1210 Views
But the objective truth of a setting can be measured. - 04/12/2009 10:37:10 PM 1135 Views
But does it make any difference in the objective value of the book? - 06/12/2009 09:35:59 AM 1291 Views
YES. - 06/12/2009 03:34:17 PM 1075 Views
NO - 07/12/2009 08:40:33 PM 1181 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. - 04/12/2009 10:25:08 PM 1153 Views
Yes, it is worse with movies. Much worse, in fact. - 04/12/2009 10:33:18 PM 1189 Views
Re: That was a well-thought out response, but I still disagree. - 06/12/2009 09:36:11 AM 1152 Views
Maybe we're different, but I don't care for FX - 06/12/2009 01:37:53 PM 1088 Views
This is not about the personal taste - 07/12/2009 08:50:34 PM 1189 Views
I've obviously missed the show here... - 04/12/2009 12:14:30 AM 1109 Views
I'm not sure that's right. This thing just keeps growing. - 04/12/2009 12:46:24 AM 1224 Views
What, your penis? - 06/12/2009 02:40:09 AM 1121 Views
Don't you know it! - 06/12/2009 03:28:16 PM 1025 Views
You talk the talk, that's for sure. - 07/12/2009 08:14:41 PM 1171 Views
Hate to break it to you... - 07/12/2009 09:54:24 PM 1218 Views
I thought you were gonna tell me... - 08/12/2009 03:07:54 PM 1280 Views
Metaphor versus literalism - 04/12/2009 05:42:03 PM 1197 Views
aha. but. - 07/12/2009 03:56:48 PM 1315 Views
Quoting Nietzsche is really hitting below the belt. - 07/12/2009 09:12:34 PM 1255 Views
It is good I was only paraphrasing, then - 08/12/2009 10:44:14 AM 1154 Views

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