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Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM
So I guess I have to amend my initial thoughts, and side with you. Tolkien is only slightly sexist, in the fact that he was writing these books several decades ago, when sentiments were different, especially in the Oxford crowd, and because he was writing a history- mythological aside. It is interesting to note that most of his women are "equals" when they are powerful. In a way, he has one up on modern feminist lore, simply by the fact that he is able to write the women as equals, and doesn't have to go to extremes to represent their strengths. I do see where you are coming from, Legolas, and I concur for the most part; I just wish there was some variety, because Tolkien writes of numerous men that aren't married that are influential. Now, he could be writing them as homosexual characters, which is fitting because they're all outcasts in a way:

Gandalf, Sauron, Radaghast are all maiar that went into
voluntary exile to raise the newest children of Middle-Earth
(men); Saruman, the misunderstood adopted son of a twisted and
envious god; Frodo, Bilbo the two biggest queens on Baggins
street (Might as well be Frodo Tea-Baggins); Merry, Pippin, The
Shapeshifter in the mountains that provides shelter to the
company before and after Bilbo gets lost and meets Golum....oh,
and Golum himself.

But this is never explicitly mentioned, or even really insinuated in the book series, so I digress. I just like my powerful women, damn it. Why not have Galadriel be a diademed battle lord? She's a beast.

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The greatest King in Fantasy - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 2047 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1434 Views
I would argue with you. - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1391 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1430 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1427 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1442 Views
when I read the actual book... - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1452 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1478 Views
My money is still on Aragorn - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1552 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1408 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1369 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1441 Views
Hm - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1482 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1373 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1637 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1486 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1376 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1467 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1389 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1480 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1534 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1545 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1664 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1426 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1392 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1432 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1539 Views
I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1366 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1406 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1479 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1476 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1347 Views
Exactly. - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1462 Views
Re: Exactly. - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1541 Views
I was going to say something similar. - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1408 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1375 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1401 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1693 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1438 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1291 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1384 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1540 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1349 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1352 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1397 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 694 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1461 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 666 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1409 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 667 Views
ROFL *NM* - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 643 Views
Artur Hawkwing - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1559 Views
??? - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 1964 Views
Simba *NM* - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 724 Views
Manwe - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1862 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 801 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1464 Views
Westley - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1398 Views
Leto Atreides II - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1353 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 667 Views

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