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Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM
So I guess I have to amend my initial thoughts, and side with you. Tolkien is only slightly sexist, in the fact that he was writing these books several decades ago, when sentiments were different, especially in the Oxford crowd, and because he was writing a history- mythological aside. It is interesting to note that most of his women are "equals" when they are powerful. In a way, he has one up on modern feminist lore, simply by the fact that he is able to write the women as equals, and doesn't have to go to extremes to represent their strengths. I do see where you are coming from, Legolas, and I concur for the most part; I just wish there was some variety, because Tolkien writes of numerous men that aren't married that are influential. Now, he could be writing them as homosexual characters, which is fitting because they're all outcasts in a way:

Gandalf, Sauron, Radaghast are all maiar that went into
voluntary exile to raise the newest children of Middle-Earth
(men); Saruman, the misunderstood adopted son of a twisted and
envious god; Frodo, Bilbo the two biggest queens on Baggins
street (Might as well be Frodo Tea-Baggins); Merry, Pippin, The
Shapeshifter in the mountains that provides shelter to the
company before and after Bilbo gets lost and meets Golum....oh,
and Golum himself.

But this is never explicitly mentioned, or even really insinuated in the book series, so I digress. I just like my powerful women, damn it. Why not have Galadriel be a diademed battle lord? She's a beast.

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The greatest King in Fantasy - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 2087 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1486 Views
I would argue with you. - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1438 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1455 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1450 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1499 Views
when I read the actual book... - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1484 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1523 Views
My money is still on Aragorn - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1584 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1433 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1395 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1464 Views
Hm - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1507 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1401 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1665 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1525 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1407 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1532 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1436 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1509 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1560 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1571 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1694 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1470 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1447 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1456 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1577 Views
I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1396 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1424 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1506 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1511 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1386 Views
Exactly. - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1501 Views
Re: Exactly. - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1571 Views
I was going to say something similar. - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1437 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1402 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1424 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1728 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1474 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1328 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1421 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1590 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1410 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1385 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1421 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 714 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1485 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 685 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1427 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 691 Views
ROFL *NM* - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 655 Views
Artur Hawkwing - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1591 Views
??? - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 2006 Views
Simba *NM* - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 746 Views
Manwe - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1891 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 815 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1493 Views
Westley - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1446 Views
Leto Atreides II - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1375 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 685 Views

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