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Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. lyringlas Send a noteboard - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM
So I guess I have to amend my initial thoughts, and side with you. Tolkien is only slightly sexist, in the fact that he was writing these books several decades ago, when sentiments were different, especially in the Oxford crowd, and because he was writing a history- mythological aside. It is interesting to note that most of his women are "equals" when they are powerful. In a way, he has one up on modern feminist lore, simply by the fact that he is able to write the women as equals, and doesn't have to go to extremes to represent their strengths. I do see where you are coming from, Legolas, and I concur for the most part; I just wish there was some variety, because Tolkien writes of numerous men that aren't married that are influential. Now, he could be writing them as homosexual characters, which is fitting because they're all outcasts in a way:

Gandalf, Sauron, Radaghast are all maiar that went into
voluntary exile to raise the newest children of Middle-Earth
(men); Saruman, the misunderstood adopted son of a twisted and
envious god; Frodo, Bilbo the two biggest queens on Baggins
street (Might as well be Frodo Tea-Baggins); Merry, Pippin, The
Shapeshifter in the mountains that provides shelter to the
company before and after Bilbo gets lost and meets Golum....oh,
and Golum himself.

But this is never explicitly mentioned, or even really insinuated in the book series, so I digress. I just like my powerful women, damn it. Why not have Galadriel be a diademed battle lord? She's a beast.

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The greatest King in Fantasy - 09/04/2010 05:18:42 AM 2177 Views
King Arthur. Hands down. - 09/04/2010 06:40:15 AM 1578 Views
I would argue with you. - 09/04/2010 06:54:53 AM 1521 Views
That's the point, though. Arthur's humanity is what makes him so admirable. - 09/04/2010 06:59:07 AM 1547 Views
I have to agree with Dannymac - 09/04/2010 02:04:44 PM 1536 Views
But he's not in a modern fantasy novel. - 09/04/2010 07:37:14 PM 1594 Views
when I read the actual book... - 10/04/2010 12:08:21 AM 1558 Views
I'm going with the most likely historical version of King Arthur - 09/04/2010 06:45:26 PM 1626 Views
My money is still on Aragorn - 09/04/2010 12:47:43 PM 1664 Views
Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 02:05:42 PM 1509 Views
Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:18:30 PM 1476 Views
Re: Arwen's character is just never fleshed out, though. - 09/04/2010 02:49:45 PM 1548 Views
Hm - 09/04/2010 03:23:53 PM 1614 Views
Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:32:00 PM 1485 Views
Re: Mostly, yes, but there are a few exceptions - Galadriel, Eowyn, and above all Luthien. - 09/04/2010 03:45:37 PM 1754 Views
I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:34:15 PM 1604 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 04:55:34 PM 1489 Views
If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:09:20 PM 1618 Views
Re: If Tacitus and Graves were accurate - 09/04/2010 05:26:43 PM 1526 Views
I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:34:37 PM 1585 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 09/04/2010 05:45:06 PM 1657 Views
Re: I rather liked her depiction in Rome. - 10/04/2010 11:14:26 AM 1647 Views
I don't know if I'd call it bad, per se. - 10/04/2010 11:37:55 AM 1782 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:02:50 PM 1571 Views
Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:31:42 PM 1540 Views
Re: Eh, the other Vala don't do much of anything either. - 09/04/2010 05:44:03 PM 1527 Views
Re: I can't agree about the goddesses. - 09/04/2010 05:06:49 PM 1691 Views
I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:09:49 PM 1481 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 09/04/2010 08:31:16 PM 1493 Views
Re: I call bullshit - 10/04/2010 08:04:15 AM 1586 Views
I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 10/04/2010 05:12:07 PM 1594 Views
Re: I didn't realize it was fashionable to call Tolkien sexist. - 12/04/2010 11:00:23 AM 1467 Views
Exactly. - 13/04/2010 03:08:46 AM 1592 Views
Re: Exactly. - 13/04/2010 08:54:01 AM 1674 Views
I was going to say something similar. - 09/04/2010 03:21:45 PM 1513 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:00:25 PM 1477 Views
Re: Aragorn is so awesome... - 09/04/2010 08:37:12 PM 1513 Views
He's good, but then he just doesn't have to face so many things. - 09/04/2010 02:22:04 PM 1809 Views
Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 07:59:27 PM 1563 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 09/04/2010 08:38:51 PM 1410 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 08:24:33 AM 1526 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 10/04/2010 05:08:42 PM 1663 Views
Re: Doesn't have to face many things? - 12/04/2010 10:55:12 AM 1518 Views
He really wasn't a king in majority of the story though - 12/04/2010 05:54:23 PM 1483 Views
I'm sure there are many, but one coming to mind is Prince Josua from Memory, Sorrow and Thorn - 09/04/2010 02:23:57 PM 1508 Views
Oh yeah I liked him a lot *NM* - 09/04/2010 04:09:59 PM 766 Views
Josua Lackhand is a great fantasy King! - 09/04/2010 05:14:39 PM 1564 Views
Arutha was never King. *NM* - 09/04/2010 07:18:30 PM 722 Views
I'm going to go with a tie... - 09/04/2010 04:22:42 PM 1507 Views
Joffrey and the Stag! *NM* - 09/04/2010 09:53:56 PM 737 Views
ROFL *NM* - 09/04/2010 11:39:36 PM 697 Views
Artur Hawkwing - 10/04/2010 03:34:02 AM 1677 Views
??? - 10/04/2010 10:30:13 AM 2097 Views
Simba *NM* - 10/04/2010 08:40:38 AM 785 Views
Manwe - 10/04/2010 10:31:54 AM 1986 Views
Bah. He's hardly a character. *NM* - 12/04/2010 01:07:29 AM 881 Views
Arutha, the Prince of Krondor - 12/04/2010 01:06:14 AM 1585 Views
Westley - 13/04/2010 02:59:36 AM 1549 Views
Leto Atreides II - 13/04/2010 05:07:29 AM 1465 Views
I'll agree with that! *NM* - 13/04/2010 11:33:10 AM 731 Views

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