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Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... Legolas Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 10:51:46 AM
Look I don't think it was a great article but he was hardly note worthy in it's mediocrity. We can pretend like the ridicule has solely about the quality of the article but why do pretend?

If this was meant to be an exhaustive debate on the issue then I agree it was poor. If on the other hand it was about the movie and the high points of the debate were mentioned then I think the only thing silly is the response to it.


But personally I do expect a journalist for a mainstream newspaper to do a better job describing the issue than your average 10-year old. Even if the main part of the article is about something else. If you're not capable or can't be bothered to do the effort to discuss the issue properly, it's rather wiser not to discuss it at all. And you still don't seem to get it: the ridicule IS solely about the quality of the article. I strongly doubt the author is actually a creationist. Entophile's post seemed to focus on the part about no evidence for evolution, yes, but my and Craig post were about how, as he put it, "both sides of the argument were represented so insultingly poorly".

And as for the 8000 lightyears argument, I have to disagree with Craig, I do think astronomy is relevant in the discussion. But the way that argument is presented is idiotic. If creationists actually believed that there were objects 8000 lightyears away whose light is reaching the earth only now, they wouldn't be creationists to begin with.

On the other side of the discussion, the stupidest part is the "allegory" argument, as the whole point of creationism is that those people *don't* think Genesis is an allegory. The allegory is not an argument for creationism, it's an argument to reconcile the Bible with evolution.

So was the article noteworthy in its mediocrity, well, I don't often see journalism this shoddy in a serious newspaper, no. And since somebody linked to it, I gave my honest opinion about it, as did Craig.
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Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. - 13/09/2009 07:43:15 PM 661 Views
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That is one amazingly stupid article... - 13/09/2009 08:04:47 PM 698 Views
ditto *NM* - 13/09/2009 08:11:45 PM 339 Views
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wow why a witty and well thought out rebuttal. - 14/09/2009 10:02:14 PM 673 Views
Ugh. Interesting subject, awful article. - 13/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 725 Views
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*sigh* People bashing other people. - 13/09/2009 10:02:54 PM 740 Views
The author used the phrase "proven theories." Ergo, their argument is invalid. *NM* - 14/09/2009 01:11:51 AM 352 Views
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Re: I think I was agreeing with you, yes *NM* - 15/09/2009 12:37:00 AM 328 Views
Oh, good. I'll let you live. *NM* - 15/09/2009 01:55:49 AM 380 Views
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That's... not exactly it. - 14/09/2009 10:33:02 PM 613 Views
not that is exactly it - 14/09/2009 11:10:52 PM 864 Views
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Heh. You were much more diplomatic about it than I was. *NM* - 14/09/2009 11:24:41 PM 379 Views
No you just happen to wrong with him - 15/09/2009 01:14:16 AM 669 Views
Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... - 15/09/2009 10:51:46 AM 858 Views
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To butt in for a second... - 15/09/2009 07:38:05 PM 673 Views
'Fraid not. - 14/09/2009 11:24:00 PM 669 Views
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Ithat was meant to be an eidt. oh well - 15/09/2009 01:23:36 AM 732 Views
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completely aside from this argument you guys have here... - 15/09/2009 05:02:21 AM 709 Views
Interrupter! - 15/09/2009 06:11:40 AM 649 Views
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Are you telling me I am getting predictable? - 15/09/2009 04:58:59 PM 738 Views
The age of the universe is an important point in the creationist argument - 15/09/2009 05:53:41 PM 727 Views
Exactly. So it was in the wrong column. - 15/09/2009 07:58:15 PM 685 Views
what I think has been lost in the debate is it looks like it will be a good movie - 15/09/2009 08:14:04 PM 745 Views
That, I can agree with. *NM* - 15/09/2009 08:22:44 PM 349 Views
Um. - 14/09/2009 11:28:28 PM 801 Views
LOL - 15/09/2009 09:29:16 PM 738 Views
Really? Because this was a rather atypical debate, honestly. - 15/09/2009 09:43:13 PM 625 Views
Heh. - 15/09/2009 09:54:00 PM 746 Views
Well, I can pretend if you want me to - 15/09/2009 10:07:59 PM 1187 Views
I happen to find it all extremely interesting - 15/09/2009 10:23:19 PM 674 Views
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There are some places you can go that discuss the creationist ideas - 15/09/2009 10:58:25 PM 817 Views
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All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! - 16/09/2009 06:03:20 AM 650 Views

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