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Re: Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... random thoughts Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 05:32:51 PM
Look I don't think it was a great article but he was hardly note worthy in it's mediocrity. We can pretend like the ridicule has solely about the quality of the article but why do pretend?

If this was meant to be an exhaustive debate on the issue then I agree it was poor. If on the other hand it was about the movie and the high points of the debate were mentioned then I think the only thing silly is the response to it.

But personally I do expect a journalist for a mainstream newspaper to do a better job describing the issue than your average 10-year old. Even if the main part of the article is about something else. If you're not capable or can't be bothered to do the effort to discuss the issue properly, it's rather wiser not to discuss it at all. And you still don't seem to get it: the ridicule IS solely about the quality of the article. I strongly doubt the author is actually a creationist. Entophile's post seemed to focus on the part about no evidence for evolution, yes, but my and Craig post were about how, as he put it, "both sides of the argument were represented so insultingly poorly".


I didn't see anyone refuting the claim that the writer was supporting creation.

And as for the 8000 lightyears argument, I have to disagree with Craig, I do think astronomy is relevant in the discussion. But the way that argument is presented is idiotic. If creationists actually believed that there were objects 8000 lightyears away whose light is reaching the earth only now, they wouldn't be creationists to begin with.


not exacatally right. I used to work with some hard core creationist and I have actaully studied some of thier beliefs. The ones I knew believed that light was created in path. One of them even put forth the theory that for stars far enough out there no actuall star just the light.

Why God would bother to create light from stars millions of lightyears away that could only be seen by a massive telescope in space didn't seem to be a question that had accured to him.

On the other side of the discussion, the stupidest part is the "allegory" argument, as the whole point of creationism is that those people *don't* think Genesis is an allegory. The allegory is not an argument for creationism, it's an argument to reconcile the Bible with evolution.


The writer did mix up theories there a bit and he could have done a better job explaining that the same people wouldn't believe all of these things but again it was a film review in the culture section.

So was the article noteworthy in its mediocrity, well, I don't often see journalism this shoddy in a serious newspaper, no. And since somebody linked to it, I gave my honest opinion about it, as did Craig.


I didn't comment on your oriignall post I was commenting on the first post and the claim that the wirter of the article was supporting creationism. I notice that neither you nor Craig challenged that but instead made comments that could be taken as support.
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I can't even believe this. Entophile - 13/09/2009 07:40:02 PM 1137 Views
Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. Artsapat - 13/09/2009 07:43:15 PM 673 Views
Re: Take a deep breath, close your eyes and go to your happy place. Entophile - 13/09/2009 10:28:42 PM 762 Views
That is one amazingly stupid article... Legolas - 13/09/2009 08:04:47 PM 709 Views
ditto *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/09/2009 08:11:45 PM 344 Views
Re: ditto Cal Trask - 13/09/2009 10:01:54 PM 801 Views
wow why a witty and well thought out rebuttal. random thoughts - 14/09/2009 10:02:14 PM 687 Views
Ugh. Interesting subject, awful article. nossy - 13/09/2009 08:27:15 PM 735 Views
Re: I can't even believe this. Geniac - 13/09/2009 09:05:45 PM 689 Views
Re: I can't even believe this. Entophile - 13/09/2009 10:33:47 PM 614 Views
I'd agree with you, if... Wibble - 13/09/2009 10:36:07 PM 686 Views
*sigh* People bashing other people. Great Lord of Chaos - 13/09/2009 10:02:54 PM 751 Views
The author used the phrase "proven theories." Ergo, their argument is invalid. *NM* Craig - 14/09/2009 01:11:51 AM 356 Views
seriously. there's no such thing as a truly proven theory LadyLorraine - 14/09/2009 01:52:30 AM 667 Views
Re: definition of "theory" Geniac - 14/09/2009 04:49:13 AM 742 Views
Re: definition of "theory" Entophile - 14/09/2009 08:56:48 AM 829 Views
I can't really tell Craig - 14/09/2009 08:14:14 PM 713 Views
Re: I think I was agreeing with you, yes *NM* Geniac - 15/09/2009 12:37:00 AM 333 Views
Oh, good. I'll let you live. *NM* Craig - 15/09/2009 01:55:49 AM 384 Views
I think you are getting workedup over nothing random thoughts - 14/09/2009 09:57:22 PM 862 Views
That's... not exactly it. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:33:02 PM 623 Views
not that is exactly it random thoughts - 14/09/2009 11:10:52 PM 876 Views
No, Craig is quite right. Legolas - 14/09/2009 11:21:11 PM 673 Views
Heh. You were much more diplomatic about it than I was. *NM* Craig - 14/09/2009 11:24:41 PM 382 Views
No you just happen to wrong with him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:14:16 AM 683 Views
Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... Legolas - 15/09/2009 10:51:46 AM 867 Views
Re: Well, maybe this has to do with your low opinion of the British press... random thoughts - 15/09/2009 05:32:51 PM 833 Views
To butt in for a second... Craig - 15/09/2009 07:38:05 PM 689 Views
'Fraid not. Craig - 14/09/2009 11:24:00 PM 683 Views
It's not, it's supposed to be relatively decent - mainstream conservative newspaper. *NM* Legolas - 14/09/2009 11:28:44 PM 319 Views
Re: 'Fraid not. random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:21:14 AM 672 Views
Re: 'Fraid not. random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:22:59 AM 795 Views
Ithat was meant to be an eidt. oh well random thoughts - 15/09/2009 01:23:36 AM 743 Views
Craig - 15/09/2009 02:14:37 AM 756 Views
completely aside from this argument you guys have here... nossy - 15/09/2009 05:02:21 AM 722 Views
Interrupter! Craig - 15/09/2009 06:11:40 AM 660 Views
Re: Interrupter! nossy - 15/09/2009 06:54:56 AM 764 Views
One brain C4, coming up... jh - 15/09/2009 12:00:26 PM 717 Views
Nicely put Floffe - 15/09/2009 03:48:42 PM 643 Views
Yes, I know. jh - 15/09/2009 04:55:22 PM 782 Views
PFt nossy - 15/09/2009 04:56:19 PM 655 Views
Are you telling me I am getting predictable? jh - 15/09/2009 04:58:59 PM 750 Views
The age of the universe is an important point in the creationist argument random thoughts - 15/09/2009 05:53:41 PM 738 Views
Exactly. So it was in the wrong column. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:58:15 PM 696 Views
what I think has been lost in the debate is it looks like it will be a good movie random thoughts - 15/09/2009 08:14:04 PM 758 Views
That, I can agree with. *NM* Craig - 15/09/2009 08:22:44 PM 353 Views
Um. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 11:28:28 PM 811 Views
LOL Isaac - 15/09/2009 09:29:16 PM 748 Views
Really? Because this was a rather atypical debate, honestly. Legolas - 15/09/2009 09:43:13 PM 649 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 09:54:00 PM 756 Views
Well, I can pretend if you want me to Isaac - 15/09/2009 10:07:59 PM 1196 Views
I happen to find it all extremely interesting nossy - 15/09/2009 10:23:19 PM 685 Views
Re: I happen to find it all extremely interesting Isaac - 15/09/2009 10:36:14 PM 735 Views
There are some places you can go that discuss the creationist ideas random thoughts - 15/09/2009 10:58:25 PM 831 Views
Having just been to the Creationist Museum last Monday nossy - 16/09/2009 12:00:12 AM 966 Views
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! Craig - 16/09/2009 06:03:20 AM 660 Views
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