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Another one? rebelaessedai Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM
It just bums me out. You guys are so... smart and vibrant, both of you. You shouldn't waste that on little snotty nosed brats. :P

Seriously though, I think you guys have more important things to contribute to the world than children. But then, many people consider children to be the greatest thing they contribute. It's just my opinion. That's not to say I won't have kids- it's just that there are things that are a higher priority. I think people should work towards being happy, like I said. But I also know a lot of smart women who have resented their children- even though they love them a ton- because they never got to follow other dreams.

I guess my point is, I can always adopt after I have the career I want. A lot of mothers don't get the chance to change their minds like I might. Just something to think about.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2239 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1316 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1313 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1343 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 698 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1297 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1366 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1330 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1305 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1332 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1333 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1271 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1395 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 731 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1326 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1297 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1353 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1334 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1283 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1333 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1179 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1212 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1254 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1267 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 768 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1245 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1357 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1360 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1220 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1215 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1251 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1276 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 833 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1330 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1296 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1228 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1207 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1235 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1211 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1260 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1256 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1294 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1222 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1170 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1268 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 766 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1205 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 694 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1368 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1205 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1295 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1292 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1146 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1211 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1191 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1368 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1267 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1193 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1177 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1198 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1212 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1176 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1192 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1238 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1200 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1226 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1227 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1160 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1258 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1299 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1135 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1250 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1146 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1232 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1129 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1198 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1130 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1287 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 683 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1182 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1244 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1244 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1092 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1191 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1126 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1196 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1074 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1237 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1234 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1248 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1149 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1377 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1337 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1216 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1243 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1242 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1257 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1250 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1160 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1223 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1259 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1356 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1251 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1227 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1141 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1103 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1227 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1221 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1264 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1251 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1247 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1173 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1204 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1177 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1269 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 689 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1227 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1263 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 621 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1255 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 684 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1239 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1211 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1212 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2389 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1183 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1247 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1195 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1175 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1150 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1148 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1234 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1223 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 707 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 676 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1262 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1222 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1154 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1277 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1247 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1176 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1271 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1273 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1198 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1323 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1226 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1232 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1222 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1219 Views
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