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Re: No Rebekah Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM
Sex refers to biology. Gender refers to cultural roles.

Only because "Sex studies" sounds like something else entirely. Ditto Sex roles.

My comment was mostly in reply to those people talking about "my gender is more than the plumbing".
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2342 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1404 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1410 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1416 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 744 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1381 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1464 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1416 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1406 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1408 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1423 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1352 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1486 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 779 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1402 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1400 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1436 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1416 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1373 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1425 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1272 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1304 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1342 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1341 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 825 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1334 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1459 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1443 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1311 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1292 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1333 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1346 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 884 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1416 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1380 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1308 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1304 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1326 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1298 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1342 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1340 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1379 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1301 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1253 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1363 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 819 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1307 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 748 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1435 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1311 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1379 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1392 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1231 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1296 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1292 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1460 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1341 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1277 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1258 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1295 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1318 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1264 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1277 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1339 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1284 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1309 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1311 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1243 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1329 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1414 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1218 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1338 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1217 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1317 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1209 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1297 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1214 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1377 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 714 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1259 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1314 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1335 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1164 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1278 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1224 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1291 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1158 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1331 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1331 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1341 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1230 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1505 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1426 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1300 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1335 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1322 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1345 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1335 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1241 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1305 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1338 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1433 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1345 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1324 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1225 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1197 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1308 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1304 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1339 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1344 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1358 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1266 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1286 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1269 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1346 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 741 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1307 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1345 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 671 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1334 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 721 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1338 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1298 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1298 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2490 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1271 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1340 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1285 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1249 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1237 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1221 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1310 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1318 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 760 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 728 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1359 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1315 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1249 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1355 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1319 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1249 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1372 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1378 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1309 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1406 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1312 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1324 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1304 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1309 Views
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