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Re: No Rebekah Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM
Sex refers to biology. Gender refers to cultural roles.

Only because "Sex studies" sounds like something else entirely. Ditto Sex roles.

No. It is because the distinction is a useful one.

Not really.

My comment was mostly in reply to those people talking about "my gender is more than the plumbing".

Well, they are right.

Not so much. Sex encompasses both the bits and chromosomes you have and the psychological differences. (Speaking in generalities, of course.)

Gender might cover the supposed roles society gives men and women in the modern parlance, but the fact that women are (in general) more nurturing than men is about sex not gender. And I believe that was the kind of use above.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2226 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1305 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1300 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1332 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 691 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1285 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1336 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1317 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1293 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1321 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1321 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1260 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1377 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 723 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1313 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1285 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1342 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1323 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1272 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1323 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1169 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1200 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1242 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1251 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 762 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1234 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1344 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1347 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1208 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1204 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1237 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1262 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 826 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1321 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1285 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1216 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1196 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1224 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1197 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1245 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1242 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1284 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1211 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1158 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1258 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 759 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1187 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 687 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1355 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1191 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1281 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1278 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1132 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1201 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1178 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1355 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1255 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1183 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1163 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1186 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1201 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1164 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1180 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1226 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1188 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1211 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1217 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1148 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1248 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1289 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1127 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1240 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1135 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1220 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1117 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1186 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1120 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1275 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 676 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1169 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1231 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1233 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1079 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1182 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1115 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1185 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1065 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1225 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1223 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1239 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1138 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1365 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1323 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1205 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1231 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1227 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1244 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1239 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1146 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1210 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1246 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1342 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1235 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1215 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1129 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1089 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1217 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1209 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1252 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1237 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1234 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1162 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1191 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1164 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1257 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 682 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1211 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1250 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 614 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1244 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 678 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1228 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1199 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1196 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2372 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1170 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1236 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1184 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1164 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1139 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1137 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1222 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1213 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 700 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 668 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1251 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1211 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1145 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1266 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1235 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1164 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1258 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1260 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1183 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1309 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1215 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1220 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1208 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1204 Views
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