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Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM
Personally, I've long thought that there was no difference in ability with math between men and women: only an interest in pursuing higher-level math. It's the same with physics, computers, engineering, etc... as much as there's concern about equal numbers of enrollments, maybe people should just take a step back and ask themselves "why?" when it's obvious women aren't generally as interested in those subjects as men.


Interest is important to consider too.

Taking several steps back, educational studies in general are showing that girls are consistently over-performing same-aged boys in school in all categories... except maybe gym. :P


Yes, well, current educational practices definitely favor the skills of girls over boys. In addition, girls are more mature than boys of the same age. That girls do better in school in any subject than their same-age male peers probably has very little to do with "natural" aptitude for particular types of thinking, which is really what I'm talking about.

Oh, and for the record, I've known some extremely talented women in math so I don't believe for a second that they're "less able". Probably the smartest math professor I ever had was a woman who quit teaching to go work on hush-hush projects for the NSA. ;)


I happen to be one of them, so you won't find any disagreement from me on the existence of women with high aptitude for math :P But I can also point to some female body-builders who could kick an average man's ass, some female baseball players who are better than the average man, etc. The point is that we're only talking in generalities and average population characteristics here ;)
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2371 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1444 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1435 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1440 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 755 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1420 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1499 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1445 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1432 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1439 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1444 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1379 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1518 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 790 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1442 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1422 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1458 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1448 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1401 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1460 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1299 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1339 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1375 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1371 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 840 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1355 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1492 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1465 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1339 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1317 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1354 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1375 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 899 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1447 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1403 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1330 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1341 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1362 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1329 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1370 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1366 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1405 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1328 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1283 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1397 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 835 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1326 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 767 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1470 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1337 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1407 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1419 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1254 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1328 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1319 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1489 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1374 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1305 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1287 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1321 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1349 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1295 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1303 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1369 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1319 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1340 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1338 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1262 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1356 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1443 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1247 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1365 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1255 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1342 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1244 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1328 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1237 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1409 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 729 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1290 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1336 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1358 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1197 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1309 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1245 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1319 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1191 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1351 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1368 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1364 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1259 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1534 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1457 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1327 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1379 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1349 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1373 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1361 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1272 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1327 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1369 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1466 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1378 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1353 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1247 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1216 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1332 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1329 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1371 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1371 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1385 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1289 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1312 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1300 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1379 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 753 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1327 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1377 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 689 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1360 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 735 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1375 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1335 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1339 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2518 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1294 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1368 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1308 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1281 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1265 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1251 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1336 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1350 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 776 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 746 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1385 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1345 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1277 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1387 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1341 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1281 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1400 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1402 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1337 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1437 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1341 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1356 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1330 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1366 Views
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