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here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts Send a noteboard - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM
Here is a study that shows significantly different spatial skills already appearing in infants. It doesn’t offer an explanation for why there is a difference but offers evidence that is hard to argue with short expanding the sampling size to rule out errors.

We shouldn't ignore evidence just because we don't like the implications. We also shouldn’t over read it, I wouldn’t discourage my daughter from being an engineer.
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Looks like the feminist movement wasn't as successful as it appears random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:21:01 PM 2228 Views
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much beetnemesis - 11/01/2011 06:45:38 PM 1307 Views
The aricle does mention that women feel pressured to work when they did not want to random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:48:47 PM 1301 Views
I don't trust the figures. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:50:24 PM 1333 Views
One assumes the latter, to the extent that "same job with same experience" can be defined. *NM* Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:10:13 PM 692 Views
One might assume that, but it's not necessarily so. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 08:58:14 PM 1287 Views
While I don't 100% agree with the article, some feminists annoy me no end. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 06:47:03 PM 1339 Views
My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career random thoughts - 11/01/2011 06:52:11 PM 1319 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:35:43 PM 1294 Views
Re: My wife told me just this weekend I need to stop pressuring her to have a career Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:36:14 AM 1323 Views
Yeah, got one like that, too. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:17:17 AM 1322 Views
yeah prett much anything gross that isn't in a diaper is my job random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:12:11 AM 1262 Views
It's not just that choice though. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:12:48 PM 1378 Views
It feels more hypocritical coming from feminists than "traditionalists". *NM* Rebekah - 11/01/2011 07:17:24 PM 724 Views
For you maybe. Sareitha Sedai - 11/01/2011 07:27:52 PM 1316 Views
there is definitely some SAHM snobbery random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:43:21 PM 1286 Views
Well. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:34:42 PM 1344 Views
I agree. I would also like to add, if I may... Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:27:59 AM 1326 Views
all 25 of them? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:14:56 AM 1274 Views
Pffft, look it up a bit. You might find info on the national propaganda radio (NPR) site. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 12:47:33 PM 1324 Views
It's a difficult dynamic even under the best of circumstances, when both partners have chosen it. Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:20 PM 1170 Views
I agree, it's very difficult. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 03:14:59 PM 1204 Views
it is nuanced random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:06:39 PM 1244 Views
Re: it is nuanced Avendesora - 12/01/2011 04:58:36 PM 1255 Views
You are spot on. As usual. About everything. *NM* Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:42:18 AM 763 Views
Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 02:25:59 PM 1236 Views
I have to admit that this bothers me. rebelaessedai - 11/01/2011 07:33:09 PM 1347 Views
I don't expect people to understand my choice necessarily. Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:36:52 PM 1350 Views
In addition... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:39:25 PM 1210 Views
I guess you think the same of me then. Clover - 11/01/2011 09:48:31 PM 1205 Views
Another one? rebelaessedai - 12/01/2011 06:01:43 AM 1239 Views
Re: Another one? Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:33:58 PM 1267 Views
~never mind~ *NM* *NM* Aeryn - 12/01/2011 04:42:47 PM 827 Views
I'm going to answer you anyway. Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:54:18 PM 1322 Views
not to mention nossy - 12/01/2011 05:11:42 PM 1286 Views
In addition Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:23:25 PM 1217 Views
you don't want kids? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:46:25 PM 1197 Views
bleck nossy - 12/01/2011 11:14:25 PM 1225 Views
again not the vibe I get from you random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:38:26 PM 1200 Views
Hehe. Clover - 13/01/2011 12:15:06 AM 1249 Views
Not selfish. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:45:43 AM 1245 Views
You don't have to be a doctor to contribute to the world random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:27:26 PM 1285 Views
Poor Aeryn Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:29:47 PM 1212 Views
I replied before she edited random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:41:53 PM 1160 Views
Am I at least absolved from having to respond? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:11:27 AM 1260 Views
Certainly. *NM* Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:40:09 AM 760 Views
The primary issue... Jacob - 12/01/2011 05:52:42 PM 1191 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:54:29 PM 689 Views
Agreed; ironically, that first line applies to this thread and mine with the parenting article. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:00:28 PM 1358 Views
What Rebekah said... Clover - 15/01/2011 07:55:34 PM 1195 Views
Me too! Clover - 11/01/2011 09:43:57 PM 1285 Views
Re: Me too! Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 01:23:39 AM 1282 Views
It has been a long, long time since I have seen a woman getting looked down on for staying at home. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:48:42 AM 1136 Views
I have a fiancee like that. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:14:53 AM 1202 Views
I feel so fortunate to be a stay at home mom. Beqi - 12/01/2011 11:32:37 PM 1179 Views
My commentary on the whys and wherefores of this stuff would be way too politically incorrect SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 07:56:24 PM 1358 Views
I think all of that makes sense random thoughts - 11/01/2011 08:36:39 PM 1258 Views
In this particular case I don't disagree with you. SilverWarder - 11/01/2011 09:28:13 PM 1184 Views
I'm not sure why either sex should surpass the other in math. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:34:09 AM 1165 Views
men have more physical strength period random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:30:14 AM 1188 Views
There's a lot more to running (especially marathons) then leg strength. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:41:11 AM 1203 Views
how much time the experts spend being wrong doesn't make them less wrong random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:10 PM 1167 Views
How much more time they've spent studying it before drawing conclusions makes a big difference. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:42:26 PM 1183 Views
your right it is just a coincidence that their results always matches their politics random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:56:03 PM 1230 Views
There's definitely such a thing as a self fulfilling prophecy. Joel - 12/01/2011 07:00:23 PM 1191 Views
so you would trust them if they only admitted conseratives? random thoughts - 12/01/2011 09:51:00 PM 1213 Views
Admitted? No, but they'll take anyone with the grades. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:47:42 PM 1219 Views
Every study I have seen shows most schools have few to no non-leberal proffesors random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:08 PM 1151 Views
Every study I've ever seen shows that math and science fields have few to no women. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:42:46 PM 1250 Views
not when we know men are better at math thewpmen are random thoughts - 13/01/2011 11:10:18 PM 1291 Views
Sigh... we know no such thing, and even if we did, it would be those biased liberals telling us. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:30:33 PM 1128 Views
When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 03:47:53 PM 1241 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Macharius - 12/01/2011 04:32:38 PM 1136 Views
Re: When you talk about reasons men "should" be better at math Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 04:41:42 PM 1223 Views
Both, really; the latter is a consequence of the former. Joel - 12/01/2011 05:21:28 PM 1119 Views
I'm trying to understand your position Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 05:28:43 PM 1188 Views
try string theory, it makes more sense than Joel logic random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:57:27 PM 1122 Views
Now you've got it. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:40:50 PM 1277 Views
Okay, that's fair. *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 12/01/2011 06:42:30 PM 677 Views
Glad we were able to reach an understanding. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:02:47 PM 1172 Views
Re: I'm trying to understand your position Camilla - 13/01/2011 08:12:05 PM 1234 Views
we know the brain of women works differently then the brains of men random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:15 PM 1235 Views
What evidence I'm aware of seems inconclusive. Joel - 12/01/2011 06:46:50 PM 1080 Views
There are theories but of course they are unprovable random thoughts - 12/01/2011 10:50:08 PM 1183 Views
That's a logical rationale, and might even be accurate, but in this case I want hard evidence. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:03:32 PM 1118 Views
I think if you look you find you believe all sorts of things that can't be proven random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:03:54 PM 1188 Views
I have, and have frequently argued everyone holds such beliefs. Joel - 13/01/2011 10:33:01 PM 1066 Views
here is some evdience to argue that it is not society but biology random thoughts - 13/01/2011 08:43:43 PM 1228 Views
I think you did like I always do and forgot to give us a way to click your link. Joel - 13/01/2011 09:56:52 PM 1227 Views
oops random thoughts - 13/01/2011 10:07:55 PM 1240 Views
Seems like that's an argument for both views, in a way. Joel - 13/01/2011 11:14:11 PM 1140 Views
You can use anything to prove what you want if you are willing to spin it hard enough random thoughts - 14/01/2011 02:57:29 PM 1368 Views
I used YOUR article to "prove" what it says outright. Joel - 15/01/2011 05:35:27 PM 1328 Views
I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 11/01/2011 09:33:23 PM 1206 Views
Of course Tom - 12/01/2011 01:47:14 AM 1233 Views
Re: Of course Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:57:11 PM 1229 Views
"Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Legolas - 12/01/2011 07:58:12 PM 1246 Views
Re: "Night" is also almost invariably feminine, in my experience. Camilla - 12/01/2011 08:15:59 PM 1241 Views
It's true for Arabic and hence, one suspects, Hebrew. Legolas - 13/01/2011 07:43:21 PM 1150 Views
I'm glad YOU think it's fun... Joel - 13/01/2011 10:05:07 PM 1214 Views
I seem to remember reading about genders in Norwegian once, but I forget now... Legolas - 13/01/2011 10:11:24 PM 1248 Views
I think you may be right, but I'll no more after next week. Joel - 14/01/2011 12:20:54 AM 1345 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Camilla - 12/01/2011 09:15:28 AM 1236 Views
Re: I would also like to say this: Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:27:14 PM 1217 Views
No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:28:48 PM 1132 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:35:56 PM 1093 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:37:33 PM 1218 Views
Re: No Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:43:36 PM 1212 Views
Re: No Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:47:56 PM 1254 Views
Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 12:54:54 PM 1240 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Camilla - 12/01/2011 12:56:20 PM 1237 Views
Re: Since this has become too complicated Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:55:50 PM 1163 Views
The two are used as different psychological concepts. Darth_Katie - 12/01/2011 02:24:58 PM 1194 Views
Again, used incorrectly. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:34:22 PM 1166 Views
Re: Again, used incorrectly. Camilla - 12/01/2011 04:00:59 PM 1259 Views
Exactly. *NM* Rebekah - 12/01/2011 04:53:03 PM 683 Views
It really doesn't surprise me Beqi - 12/01/2011 12:36:19 AM 1216 Views
Have you left a memo at the Feminist Movement's Office? Dannymac - 12/01/2011 12:46:45 AM 1253 Views
what the point? Like good liberals they only believe science that agrees with them *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:31:09 AM 615 Views
Actually, the feminist movement was completely successful. Tom - 12/01/2011 01:42:44 AM 1246 Views
Well put. *NM* everynametaken - 12/01/2011 02:10:56 AM 679 Views
I was playing a bit but I agree that the feminist in the past accomplished a lot random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:34:04 AM 1229 Views
NOW is just a left-leaning PAC. Tom - 12/01/2011 03:16:52 PM 1200 Views
I would argue the women's movement and the feminist movement are not the same thing random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:53:19 PM 1203 Views
Now if only others were so rational about it. SilverWarder - 17/01/2011 05:55:57 AM 2374 Views
Nevermind, Tom beat me to it. Avendesora - 12/01/2011 01:54:07 AM 1171 Views
Mmm. I don't think you understand the feminist movement. You have been reading to many things Tashmere - 12/01/2011 01:56:20 AM 1238 Views
I was refering to groups like NOW random thoughts - 12/01/2011 05:40:46 AM 1187 Views
Gotcha. Tashmere - 12/01/2011 11:53:29 PM 1165 Views
I was being a tad bit trollish with my title random thoughts - 13/01/2011 01:47:30 AM 1140 Views
I'm not sure that follows, at all. Joel - 12/01/2011 02:06:41 AM 1140 Views
they never mention their study methods Ava - 12/01/2011 02:14:15 PM 1224 Views
Gosh, look what you started. nossy - 12/01/2011 03:00:23 PM 1214 Views
somebody need to start something it is pretty dead around here *NM* random thoughts - 12/01/2011 03:16:54 PM 701 Views
Seriously *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 669 Views
I agree that it would be awesome to hang with my kid every day and not have to work. TaskmasterJack - 12/01/2011 11:33:25 PM 1253 Views
that part would be great random thoughts - 12/01/2011 11:40:49 PM 1212 Views
I could do it every day. TaskmasterJack - 13/01/2011 12:52:56 AM 1146 Views
Me too... Jacob - 13/01/2011 02:45:49 PM 1267 Views
So here's the question. Why don't men have a "choice" to opt-out? Aeryn - 15/01/2011 06:13:28 AM 1237 Views
They do. Rebekah - 15/01/2011 09:42:29 AM 1165 Views
read further up the thread random thoughts - 15/01/2011 10:49:08 AM 1261 Views
I really wish that were more socially acceptable. Clover - 15/01/2011 07:58:57 PM 1263 Views
I feel I have that choice. TaskmasterJack - 16/01/2011 12:08:48 AM 1187 Views
They most certainly do. Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:39:09 PM 1311 Views
This sounds awful to me. rebelaessedai - 13/01/2011 04:27:08 AM 1217 Views
Re: This sounds awful to me. TaskmasterJack - 14/01/2011 02:47:36 AM 1224 Views
Yikes. rebelaessedai - 14/01/2011 11:13:39 PM 1213 Views
I should have twigged on to that sooner. I would have if I had read more posts before answering. Tashmere - 13/01/2011 02:50:20 AM 1209 Views
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