Re: I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 29/04/2011 02:56:32 AM
I just don't think it's the airtight proof of dark matter Dr. Carroll considers it, because I don't think dark matter's the only, or necessarily the simplest, possible explanation.
I don't see a reason to think the normal matter emitting the X-rays didn't collide with the galaxy through which it passed. It seems likely to be the highest energy (hence it emits X-rays instead of visible light) so it should logically penetrate farther than the other matter native to its cluster, particularly if it's also the central and therefore densest part of that cluster, which appears to be the case (unless of course dark matter is present, in which case that part is the densest).
I don't see a reason to think the normal matter emitting the X-rays didn't collide with the galaxy through which it passed. It seems likely to be the highest energy (hence it emits X-rays instead of visible light) so it should logically penetrate farther than the other matter native to its cluster, particularly if it's also the central and therefore densest part of that cluster, which appears to be the case (unless of course dark matter is present, in which case that part is the densest).
The reason to think that the hot gas emitting x-rays didn't collide with the cooler individual galaxies is that's what the evidence shows.
As for the lensing itself, that we're dealing with entire clusters means we're dealing with very large and very distant objects so it seems entirely possible that other intervening but non-visible normal matter may be conributing to the lensing in some but not all areas, which could both account for the apparent effect as measured (if an intervening source of gravity is acting on all the light) and/or distort the image (if the clusters and their surroundings are too large for all their light to be affected by the intervening gravity source(s)).
How coincidental that the combination of all of those miscellaneous factors just happened to create exactly the same effect that we would predict from dark matter.
The root of my problem is the first two sentences of Dr. Carrolls article:
That would be a phenomenal accomplishment if proven true, but I'm concerned the potential phenomenon has made us to eager to accept inconclusive proof, in which case it is just "telling a story". Finding direct experimental evidence of dark matter would be awesome, but sounds rather challenging since it's only affected by gravity.
The great accomplishment of late-twentieth-century cosmology was putting together a complete inventory of the universe. We can tell a story that fits all the known data, in which ordinary matter (every particle ever detected in any experiment) constitutes only about 5% of the energy of the universe, with 25% being dark matter and 70% being dark energy.
That would be a phenomenal accomplishment if proven true, but I'm concerned the potential phenomenon has made us to eager to accept inconclusive proof, in which case it is just "telling a story". Finding direct experimental evidence of dark matter would be awesome, but sounds rather challenging since it's only affected by gravity.
I really don't understand this perception that scientists are over-eager to "tell a story" that isn't well-supported by the evidence. One of the best ways for a scientist to contribute to the field and make a name for himself or herself is to disprove or supplant an existing theory, and every scientist knows this.
The sense that I'm getting is that you have a preconceived opinion about dark matter, and in order to hold on to that, you are willing both to interpret evidence in a highly selective manner and to believe yourself actually more qualified to analyze this issue than hundreds if not thousands of trained, educated, experienced scientists. Have you taken any classes or done any independent study in astrophysics, general relativity, cosmology, etc.? These topics require an understanding of gravitation, thermodynamics, electromagnetism, nuclear physics, optics, and that's just for starters.
The existence of dark matter is not currently a matter of scientific controversy, despite whatever impression the media gives in order to create better news stories. Skepticism is important, but skepticism in the face of evidence is not a virtue. On the off chance that dark matter doesn't exist, rest assured that people will figure that out.
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- 28/04/2011 10:14:55 AM
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I still think dark matter's just non-luminous matter without a convenient light source to reflect.
- 28/04/2011 10:34:21 PM
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We've just about ruled out the idea that dark matter is just non-luminous "ordinary" matter.
- 28/04/2011 11:44:34 PM
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I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
- 29/04/2011 01:52:49 AM
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Re: I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
- 29/04/2011 02:56:32 AM
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Re: I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
- 30/04/2011 05:02:49 PM
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Re: I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
- 30/04/2011 08:56:35 PM
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Re: I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
- 02/05/2011 01:28:30 AM
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Re: I'm aware of the Bullet Cluster, though admittedly not much more than that.
- 04/05/2011 04:18:18 AM
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There's such a thing as knowing when you're licked, and I believe I am.
- 07/05/2011 02:04:53 AM
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Re: There's such a thing as knowing when you're licked, and I believe I am.
- 09/05/2011 11:28:48 PM
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Re: There's such a thing as knowing when you're licked, and I believe I am.
- 14/05/2011 05:36:45 AM
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Re: There's such a thing as knowing when you're licked, and I believe I am.
- 17/05/2011 02:09:40 AM
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Re: There's such a thing as knowing when you're licked, and I believe I am.
- 19/05/2011 04:55:21 AM
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- 19/05/2011 04:55:21 AM
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Re: There's such a thing as knowing when you're licked, and I believe I am.
- 24/05/2011 09:32:27 PM
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- 24/05/2011 09:32:27 PM
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The Pati-Salam model was the one I had in mind.
- 24/05/2011 10:34:04 PM
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Re: The Pati-Salam model was the one I had in mind.
- 24/05/2011 11:08:01 PM
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Re: The Pati-Salam model was the one I had in mind.
- 25/05/2011 01:27:10 AM
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Re: The Pati-Salam model was the one I had in mind.
- 31/05/2011 09:16:18 AM
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Apologies for the delay; internet's been spotty and I've been busy lately.
- 10/06/2011 12:09:04 AM
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Re: Apologies for the delay; internet's been spotty and I've been busy lately.
- 14/06/2011 03:38:18 AM
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Also, re: lensing from ordinary matter:
- 29/04/2011 05:18:47 AM
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This seems like another example of what confuses the issue.
- 30/04/2011 05:25:04 PM
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Re: This seems like another example of what confuses the issue.
- 30/04/2011 08:56:40 PM
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That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 02/05/2011 01:29:03 AM
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 04/05/2011 04:18:24 AM
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 07/05/2011 02:05:02 AM
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 19/05/2011 02:47:25 AM
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 24/05/2011 09:46:30 PM
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 31/05/2011 09:16:22 AM
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
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Re: That discussion seems to reduce to "as little new and exotic physics as possible".
- 14/06/2011 03:38:12 AM
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Re: I still think... (apparently, there is a 100 character limit on subjects, and yours was 99)
- 28/04/2011 11:57:15 PM
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Seems to happen to me a lot; sorry.
- 29/04/2011 12:56:14 AM
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None of this reflects on the actual facts of dark matter.
- 29/04/2011 01:32:52 AM
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I concede my grasp (or grope) is a somewhat superficial laymans, yes.
- 30/04/2011 04:30:28 PM
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Re: I concede my grasp (or grope) is a somewhat superficial laymans, yes.
- 30/04/2011 08:56:44 PM
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Re: I concede my grasp (or grope) is a somewhat superficial laymans, yes.
- 02/05/2011 01:28:58 AM
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Re: I concede my grasp (or grope) is a somewhat superficial laymans, yes.
- 04/05/2011 04:18:27 AM
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I don't object to changing my mind, but can take more convincing than I really should.
- 07/05/2011 02:05:09 AM
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- 09/05/2011 11:32:17 PM
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- 14/05/2011 05:36:24 AM
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- 24/05/2011 11:19:43 PM
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- 24/05/2011 11:33:58 PM
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- 25/05/2011 12:55:36 AM
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- 31/05/2011 09:16:24 AM
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- 10/06/2011 12:09:13 AM
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- 14/06/2011 03:38:05 AM
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Might help if you clarified where your skepticism is at
- 29/04/2011 02:32:07 AM
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Potentially either, or a combination of the two.
- 30/04/2011 02:36:50 PM
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It's hard to discuss without knowing your objections a bit more clearly
- 30/04/2011 04:58:03 PM
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My primary objection is that alternatives to dark matter seem to have been ruled out prematurely.
- 02/05/2011 01:29:14 AM
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