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That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom Send a noteboard - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM
If your church's position is that the Bible was written by humans and that their irrational (and non-spiritual) prejudices and bigotry was woven into the fabric of Scripture, and the church has a procedure for determining what these points are, then I think you can justify women priests or homosexual priests.

The question remains, however, of whether all morality is relative if it is not a trespass (defined legally) against another person or his or her property. You could let zoophiles become priests, too. In fact, let's go farther than that. Your church could, theoretically, endorse a socialist state that expropriated private property and say that all notions of private property, up to and including "thou shalt not steal", are products of the time, and not God's Word. I'm sure you could then take Christ's injunction to the rich young man - "take all your possessions, give them to the poor, and follow me" - and justify government confiscation of private property.

The point is that you're at a point where no prescriptive prohibitions set forth in the Bible are going to have any meaning. Is your church comfortable with that? In all fairness, I personally have no problem removing all prescriptive prohibitions up to the point where there is a trespass against a person or his property. I am just not sure if that many other people are comfortable with what I'm comfortable with.

I am also fairly confident that the Presbyterian position is a different one, moreover. As a Calvinist denomination (or at least nominally Calvinist), I would love to see how they are resolving the massive internal contradictions between doctrine and practice.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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*NM* - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 267 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 299 Views
Homosexuals must die! - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 955 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 607 Views
Yay!!. - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 785 Views
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Well done. *NM* - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 308 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 795 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 782 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 726 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 677 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 678 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 651 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 706 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 877 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 682 Views
Wow. - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 703 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 746 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 643 Views
Agreed. - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 720 Views
They did so, via negativa. - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 820 Views
Your church has a constitution?! - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 677 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 349 Views
Haha no way! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 301 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 770 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 603 Views
It is pretty common practice - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 642 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 697 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 861 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 698 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 806 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 752 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 716 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 706 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 696 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 637 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 821 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 746 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 336 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 776 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 672 Views
Read Judges. - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 676 Views
Another example... - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 616 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 665 Views
I rest my case *NM* - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 293 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 669 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 592 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 652 Views
We both know that isn't the case - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 757 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 629 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 733 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 732 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 716 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 621 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1022 Views

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