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The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM
It might not read as easily as the NIV, but it is much more faithful to the Koine. I don't know of any translation that comes close to being as literal as the NASB.

The NIV is full of reactionary garbage. Things get added and taken out if they don't square with the translators' preconceptions. It's horrific.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1478 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 345 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 382 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1142 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 790 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1055 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 434 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 381 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1054 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 962 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 900 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 842 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 867 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 811 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 887 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1051 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 879 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 897 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 937 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 827 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 901 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 991 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 841 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 944 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 994 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 810 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 883 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 421 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 382 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 418 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 976 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 811 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 842 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 900 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1052 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 881 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 1013 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 925 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 899 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 969 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 945 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 971 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 817 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 909 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 888 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 803 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 1002 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 933 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 1028 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 872 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 407 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 1011 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 868 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 874 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 791 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 390 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 797 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 858 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 373 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 847 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 791 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 845 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 940 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 809 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 929 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 909 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 911 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 785 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 866 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 813 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 1123 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 872 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 878 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 832 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 827 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 845 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 998 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 885 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 356 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 821 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 769 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 822 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1228 Views
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