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The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM
It might not read as easily as the NIV, but it is much more faithful to the Koine. I don't know of any translation that comes close to being as literal as the NASB.

The NIV is full of reactionary garbage. Things get added and taken out if they don't square with the translators' preconceptions. It's horrific.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1539 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 381 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 410 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1204 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 859 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1129 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 461 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 415 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1119 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 1055 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 959 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 897 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 937 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 875 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 954 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1120 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 949 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 968 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 1005 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 894 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 966 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 1056 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 909 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 1009 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 1094 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 894 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 946 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 451 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 410 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 450 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 1056 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 893 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 932 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 988 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1123 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 949 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 1078 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 994 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 961 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 1046 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 1018 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 1033 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 880 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 973 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 947 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 875 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 1067 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 1016 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 1095 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 937 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 438 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 1078 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 934 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 937 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 857 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 439 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 856 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 929 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 403 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 918 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 853 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 914 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 1021 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 872 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 995 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 974 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 975 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 860 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 941 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 875 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 1194 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 936 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 950 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 894 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 889 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 923 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 1069 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 967 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 386 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 878 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 832 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 885 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1291 Views
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