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Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM
I'll save you most of the jargon, but in short, the section of our constitution that forbade practicing homosexuals from being Ordained to Ministry of Word and Sacrament has been lifted. It doesn't force churches to ordain homosexuals, but it allows them to do so.


First, let me wish PCUSA well, I hope this decision - which I am dubious on - does not rupture your fellowship.

If I understand this correctly, as a whole the ban is lifted but churches may still reject people on those grounds, which appeals to my localized control of things even if I can't see a scriptural justification for this. But can you, if possible, list a few other things which are still banned, or which also are, like this, left to the individual churches?

And somewhat separately, is homosexuality still being considered a sin, also separately, I gather gay marriage was also on the table, can you address that in this context?

This is one of those things that I was never quite sure would happen in my lifetime. I am extremely proud of my denomination right now. It won't be easy, and a lot of folks are likely to leave. But better folks leaving by choice then being forced out by polity, in my opinion.


Having been raised Unitarian - at least until I was old enough to look up the term 'atheist' - I can tell you that the only thing worse than a religion with doctrinal disputes is one without any, either because they permit none or can't have any. I guess the silver lining is knowing that everyone involved cares enough about the Word of God to argue about it or even break fellowship.
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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1458 Views
*NM* - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 332 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 373 Views
Homosexuals must die! - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1120 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 771 Views
Yay!!. - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1029 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 422 Views
Well done. *NM* - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 371 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1037 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 939 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 882 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 820 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 843 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 792 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 866 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1033 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 851 Views
Wow. - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 873 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 921 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 806 Views
Agreed. - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 883 Views
They did so, via negativa. - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 973 Views
Your church has a constitution?! - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 847 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 412 Views
Haha no way! *NM* - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 369 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 950 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 779 Views
It is pretty common practice - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 814 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 865 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1031 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 862 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 992 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 905 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 877 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 883 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 861 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 782 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 983 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 912 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 1001 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 397 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 983 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 844 Views
Read Judges. - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 843 Views
Another example... - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 774 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 837 Views
I rest my case *NM* - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 364 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 828 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 771 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 823 Views
We both know that isn't the case - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 918 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 790 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 903 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 892 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 887 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 801 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1202 Views

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