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Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom Send a noteboard - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM
The Bible is unequivocally clear on homosexual relations, but rather than saying that some passages reflect an outdated mindset or some such thing, Danny persists in saying that he isn't contradicting the Bible or disregarding any of it.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Presbyterian Church (USA) passes Amendment 10-A. Dannymac - 11/05/2011 05:39:29 PM 1497 Views
*NM* Sareitha Sedai - 11/05/2011 06:10:26 PM 357 Views
I am happy to see this. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/05/2011 07:22:59 PM 391 Views
Homosexuals must die! Dark Knight - 11/05/2011 08:25:25 PM 1161 Views
I agree! This sort of behavior can NOT be excused!!! LadyLorraine - 11/05/2011 10:38:16 PM 817 Views
Yay!!. Amys - 11/05/2011 10:38:51 PM 1090 Views
Glad to hear it. *NM* Legolas - 11/05/2011 10:46:39 PM 442 Views
Well done. *NM* Camilla - 11/05/2011 11:07:22 PM 392 Views
What's the language? Did they at least TRY to give a doctrinal justification? Joel - 12/05/2011 02:10:46 AM 1073 Views
Thank you for that rousing argument against married priests. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:36:51 AM 996 Views
Why ARE you letting women into the priesthood? Tom - 12/05/2011 04:16:50 AM 922 Views
Because Episcopalians don't listen to the Bible much. Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:47:03 AM 857 Views
That's just fine as far as I'm concerned Tom - 12/05/2011 02:23:44 PM 888 Views
Yes, I suppose a church could go that route. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 07:38:02 AM 832 Views
I'm not attempting to impose a dichotomy on the Bible. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:30 PM 913 Views
I don't even know what following the Bible in its entirety means. Ghavrel - 14/05/2011 09:09:10 PM 1075 Views
As an exercise, I tried to think of how I would justify allowing homosexuals as clergy. Tom - 14/05/2011 04:19:43 PM 904 Views
Wow. Joel - 20/05/2011 10:15:21 AM 922 Views
Thanks (I'm actually OK with women priests though). Joel - 12/05/2011 07:09:11 AM 960 Views
It's more a question of interpretational standards. Tom - 12/05/2011 02:29:43 PM 846 Views
Agreed. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:17:45 AM 925 Views
There's ample precedent for female religious leaders, even within the bible. Joel - 12/05/2011 06:51:05 AM 1011 Views
Since when is Moses' society the be-all end all? Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:12:41 PM 862 Views
Since never, which is why I referenced five other eras you completely ignored. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:11:30 AM 968 Views
They did so, via negativa. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:22:17 PM 1037 Views
Sorry for the delay, particularly since it looks like I'll be spending a fair amount of time here. Joel - 14/05/2011 12:31:33 AM 841 Views
Your church has a constitution?! Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:36:41 AM 903 Views
My Church has a congress! *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 03:37:52 AM 431 Views
Haha no way! *NM* Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 03:46:32 AM 392 Views
Well, we have one group of laity and one of bishops, so it is only mildy utter chaos. *NM* Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 05:51:09 AM 428 Views
We have a General Assembly and a Moderator. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:18:34 PM 1003 Views
I had no idea the US was based on that system. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 06:22:58 PM 843 Views
It is pretty common practice random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:54:02 PM 878 Views
Oh I'm sure it is with newer churches. Dragonsoul - 12/05/2011 10:49:11 PM 936 Views
I'm happy to hear this, personally. I also wonder how you reconcile this with the Bible. Tom - 12/05/2011 04:11:31 AM 1077 Views
Every direct reference to homosexuality in the Bible is a reference to rape. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:12:43 PM 906 Views
Every single word that you wrote in your response is complete bullshit. Tom - 12/05/2011 05:50:07 PM 1041 Views
Knock off your eisegesis, try some exegesis Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:02:45 PM 947 Views
I'm trying to figure out just what your "gifts" are, because I don't see any. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:30:39 PM 918 Views
There are cases in which hypocrisy is far better than the alternatives. Legolas - 12/05/2011 10:04:32 PM 996 Views
Hypocrisy is better than, say, setting gays on fire, yes. Tom - 12/05/2011 10:10:40 PM 972 Views
My statement is that, from a pragmatic point of view, hypocrisy shouldn't be discouraged too much. Legolas - 13/05/2011 10:05:39 PM 992 Views
I strongly and vehemently disagree with your position. Tom - 13/05/2011 10:21:10 PM 840 Views
Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:29:31 PM 927 Views
Re: Oh, is that how we're playing this, then? Jacob - 13/05/2011 07:02:35 PM 910 Views
I'm not playing. I'm pointing out some glaring errors on your part. Tom - 13/05/2011 07:25:08 PM 832 Views
Danny will correct me if I'm wrong, but... Legolas - 13/05/2011 09:55:14 PM 1026 Views
Danny persistently refuses to say that Tom - 13/05/2011 10:13:55 PM 961 Views
And with respect to your textual point, once again you're wrong Tom - 12/05/2011 07:44:10 PM 1051 Views
The Bible says what it says. The problem... people like to tell us just what else it's saying. Jacob - 13/05/2011 05:31:29 PM 897 Views
You're a fucking moron. *NM* Dan - 15/05/2011 11:11:08 PM 416 Views
You make a very important but too often overlooked point. Joel - 14/05/2011 01:54:40 AM 1033 Views
??? the bible was harsher on homosexulaity than on rape random thoughts - 12/05/2011 06:56:43 PM 890 Views
Read Judges. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:17:29 PM 896 Views
You don't reconcile... you pick the parts you like and adjust the rest to suit you. TaskmasterJack - 13/05/2011 09:33:54 PM 818 Views
And you add in some New Age music and a little ankh as well *NM* Tom - 14/05/2011 02:35:27 AM 402 Views
Another example... Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 09:19:52 AM 818 Views
That's what people said about churches opposing slavery. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 04:06:26 PM 882 Views
I rest my case *NM* Bramhodoulos - 12/05/2011 04:48:32 PM 385 Views
That is a false dichotomy and we both know it. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:07:19 AM 870 Views
If you claim to follow the entire Bible, then you are completely correct. Tom - 12/05/2011 06:04:38 PM 814 Views
On the contrary, this move will take some butts out of the seats. Dannymac - 12/05/2011 07:16:22 PM 872 Views
We both know that isn't the case Tom - 12/05/2011 07:55:41 PM 976 Views
Whatever your issue is, get over it. Dannymac - 13/05/2011 06:17:26 PM 829 Views
You'd be a lot more effective... Jacob - 13/05/2011 06:45:31 PM 947 Views
You haven't adequately expressed your theology Tom - 13/05/2011 07:28:54 PM 929 Views
Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 05:33:49 PM 929 Views
No Protestant denomination has added so much as a word to the Bible Tom - 12/05/2011 05:58:16 PM 811 Views
So, everyone hates Judith, then? beetnemesis - 12/05/2011 06:40:11 PM 892 Views
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Churches accept Judith as part of Scripture. Tom - 12/05/2011 07:51:27 PM 835 Views
Does the Eastern Orthodox Church also segregate deuterocanonical works like Roman Catholicism does? Joel - 14/05/2011 02:19:03 AM 1149 Views
The Eastern Church bases everything on the Septuagint. Tom - 14/05/2011 02:34:41 AM 894 Views
That sounds appealing, and makes sense. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:44:56 AM 902 Views
Oh, I just enjoy calling Protestants "heretics" to remind them not everyone agrees with them. Tom - 14/05/2011 03:25:42 AM 849 Views
Oh, but they know that; in many cases, they exult in it. Joel - 14/05/2011 06:06:01 AM 848 Views
Re: Cool cool. I have a question on a semi-related note, about Protestant Gospels Isaac - 12/05/2011 08:52:48 PM 873 Views
The NIV is terrible. The NASB has the best translation I have found (of the NT, at least). Ghavrel - 12/05/2011 10:43:58 PM 1017 Views
I find this really weird, to be honest beetnemesis - 13/05/2011 05:48:28 AM 926 Views
Well, it wasn't just Athanasius. But yes, we are lucky in that respect. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/05/2011 06:32:48 AM 366 Views
Athanasius's list reflected the victory of Pauline Christianity Tom - 13/05/2011 02:52:53 PM 838 Views
There's a school of thought that says that's a strong vindication of Athanasius. Joel - 14/05/2011 02:37:49 AM 794 Views
Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Isaac - 13/05/2011 07:14:01 PM 837 Views
Re: Since I haven't gotten around to asking yet... Dannymac - 15/05/2011 03:18:23 PM 1253 Views
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