once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM
but since this didn't actually happen in the USA, it's kinda tough luck. Right & left wing are not terms that belong only to the USA. They're international, and according to the international definition of right wing, Brievik is indeed that.
It's naive to pretend otherwise. If the American right wing wants to disassociate itself with Brievik all it needs to do is remember the correct descriptor for his particular brand of right-wingness: extreme.
And there's no point calling him a Fascist because he isn't one...
And, btw: all reports on the Unabomber that I have ever read have referred to him as a Left Wing Extremist.
When the story broke in the news at least in the US he was not constantly referred to as a left wing extremist. Yes it was discussed but we didn't get "left wing extremist is the unabomber headlines". I have no problem with them reporting that he was motivated by the European far right politics but splashing "right wing extremist" in the headline is misleading. In and of it self it wouldn't be a big deal but when you take into account the fact that the liberal media has been pushing the narrative that conservatives are dangerous radicals for years now it deserves to be challenged. Sort of like how we saw so much coverage of radical signs at tea part rallies but almost no coverage radical signs at union rallies even though it was teachers carrying the signs calling people Nazi.
So sorry I will continue to challenge the attempt to paint my political party with lies even if they do it by selective application of the truth.
If he had been a black man and the head lines all read "black man slaughters innocents" I think people might object even if it was true that he was a black man. Same as if he had been part of political party called the democartic but unaffiliated with the American democratic party and Fox kept referring to him as a democratic. That would upset the democrats here in the US. Well the right wing in Europe has nothing to do with the right wing in the US and we have to right to object to American media outlets who confuse the two. I really don't care what they call him in Europe.
Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist).
26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM
- 1336 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM*
26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM
- 385 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM*
26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM
- 382 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist.
26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM
- 492 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist
26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM
- 444 Views
I'm not.
26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM
- 609 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left
26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM
- 495 Views
No one called him "American right"
26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM
- 435 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM*
26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM
- 466 Views
They don't have to claim him.
26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM
- 429 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man
26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM
- 444 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media
26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM
- 425 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed?
26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM
- 405 Views
Yes but I didn't reply to the main article, but to Trzaska being ignorant
26/07/2011 04:36:52 PM
- 498 Views
Just to be clear
26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM
- 508 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist
26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM
- 422 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views.
26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM
- 521 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality
26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM
- 526 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement,
26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM
- 458 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US
26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM
- 469 Views
See, the thing with an extremist, is that he doesn't have all that much in common with
26/07/2011 03:59:05 PM
- 461 Views
A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive.
26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM
- 577 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy
26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM
- 411 Views
He murders kids because they're liberal, you spit on their graves: You both belong in an asylum.
26/07/2011 07:54:08 AM
- 464 Views
Aaaaaaand you are back on my ignore list. Thanks for confirming my original instincts were right. *NM*
26/07/2011 11:18:25 AM
- 281 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ...
26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM
- 474 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied
26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM
- 414 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about.
26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM
- 433 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist
26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM
- 422 Views
Now I see what you mean.
26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM
- 411 Views
I would argue that his actions were tied to his beliefs on the specific issue of immigration
26/07/2011 06:11:23 PM
- 338 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste
26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM
- 462 Views
I'm seriously wondering if attacking the victims here will be the tipping point for US fascists.
26/07/2011 10:30:33 AM
- 392 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid?
26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM
- 478 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona.....
26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM
- 408 Views
Really? (+edit)
26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM
- 371 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right
26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM
- 541 Views
...
26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM
- 545 Views
if the term doesn't fit in the US then it makes no sense for US media to use the term here
26/07/2011 08:14:40 PM
- 357 Views
This was my point.
26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM
- 385 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now?
26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM
- 489 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back.
26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM
- 336 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified
27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM
- 380 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid.
27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM
- 417 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you
27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM
- 411 Views
It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument.
26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM
- 492 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right?
26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM
- 378 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said?
27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM
- 458 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism.
27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM
- 458 Views
Wow. Let's just make this about us, why don't we?
26/07/2011 04:19:06 PM
- 541 Views
oh please the left is one trying to make about the right
26/07/2011 04:36:39 PM
- 496 Views
I'm referring to all Americans (both sides) who are currently fighting this out.
26/07/2011 04:44:45 PM
- 389 Views
I agree 100% that this issue shouldn't be used in American politics
26/07/2011 06:33:48 PM
- 458 Views
To Hell with them; even the normally indulgent American public will put them in a rubber room soon.
26/07/2011 11:36:13 PM
- 438 Views
You people all need to get a grip
26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM
- 444 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM*
26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM
- 424 Views
No, you do not agree with what Wibble said. Your +1 makes zero sense. *NM*
26/07/2011 11:11:31 PM
- 332 Views
That's what I'm trying to do.
26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM
- 456 Views
You are too close to this just now.
26/07/2011 10:17:22 PM
- 412 Views
Probably,but that it happened in perhaps the safest most liberal place on Earth makes it inescapable
27/07/2011 12:26:45 AM
- 477 Views
Joel you are so full of shit
26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM
- 383 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you?
26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM
- 506 Views
Oh please, Legolas
26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM
- 451 Views

Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM*
26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM
- 450 Views
Bullshit
27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM
- 453 Views
For the record, I've always supported guns for self defense (and hunting, and liberty from tyranny).
27/07/2011 10:52:02 AM
- 475 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to
27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM
- 423 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions.
27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM
- 451 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that?
27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM
- 477 Views
so is the troll the person who makes the point or is the people who refuse to acknowledge it
27/07/2011 02:41:31 PM
- 366 Views
Do you think trz was right to call him an ultra left wing anarchist?
27/07/2011 04:15:50 PM
- 412 Views
I assumed he was referring to me when talked about picking fights with people
27/07/2011 05:53:43 PM
- 438 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM*
27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM
- 362 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them
27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM
- 500 Views
One of us is.
27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM
- 440 Views
Anyone saying Brevik has nothing in common with the American "Right" is lying to themselves
26/07/2011 08:49:29 PM
- 439 Views
glad you could come along, someone has to represent the ignorant kool-aid drinkers
26/07/2011 10:29:52 PM
- 386 Views
I don't mind them lying to themselves,but promoting the lie incites violent persecution complexes
26/07/2011 11:40:48 PM
- 469 Views
A suggestion
27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM
- 401 Views
Maybe.
27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM
- 525 Views
But there's a problem in all that
27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM
- 590 Views
In that response, "they" etc. specifically means the talking heads and their defenders.
27/07/2011 02:44:25 PM
- 393 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand
27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM
- 416 Views
I blame nested threads.
27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM
- 506 Views
Personally, I blame your need to have the final post in every conversation
27/07/2011 10:27:30 PM
- 439 Views