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once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US random thoughts Send a noteboard - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM
but since this didn't actually happen in the USA, it's kinda tough luck. Right & left wing are not terms that belong only to the USA. They're international, and according to the international definition of right wing, Brievik is indeed that.

It's naive to pretend otherwise. If the American right wing wants to disassociate itself with Brievik all it needs to do is remember the correct descriptor for his particular brand of right-wingness: extreme.

And there's no point calling him a Fascist because he isn't one...

And, btw: all reports on the Unabomber that I have ever read have referred to him as a Left Wing Extremist.


When the story broke in the news at least in the US he was not constantly referred to as a left wing extremist. Yes it was discussed but we didn't get "left wing extremist is the unabomber headlines". I have no problem with them reporting that he was motivated by the European far right politics but splashing "right wing extremist" in the headline is misleading. In and of it self it wouldn't be a big deal but when you take into account the fact that the liberal media has been pushing the narrative that conservatives are dangerous radicals for years now it deserves to be challenged. Sort of like how we saw so much coverage of radical signs at tea part rallies but almost no coverage radical signs at union rallies even though it was teachers carrying the signs calling people Nazi.

So sorry I will continue to challenge the attempt to paint my political party with lies even if they do it by selective application of the truth.

If he had been a black man and the head lines all read "black man slaughters innocents" I think people might object even if it was true that he was a black man. Same as if he had been part of political party called the democartic but unaffiliated with the American democratic party and Fox kept referring to him as a democratic. That would upset the democrats here in the US. Well the right wing in Europe has nothing to do with the right wing in the US and we have to right to object to American media outlets who confuse the two. I really don't care what they call him in Europe.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1385 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 430 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 425 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 536 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 452 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 481 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 497 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 663 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 539 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 492 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 509 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 477 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 488 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 467 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 453 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 554 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 417 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 468 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 564 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 573 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 507 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 520 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 445 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 458 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 412 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 363 Views
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Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 462 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 499 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 522 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 464 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 472 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 466 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 453 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 511 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 550 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 396 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 535 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 510 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 467 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 526 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 456 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 416 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 585 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 593 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 428 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 532 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 379 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 423 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 464 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 459 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 435 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 493 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 459 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 392 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 423 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 504 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 503 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 446 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 455 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 638 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 414 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 493 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 470 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 444 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 506 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 430 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 551 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 496 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 496 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 495 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 467 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 441 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 495 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 517 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 567 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 411 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 507 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 559 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 547 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 454 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 458 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 432 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 481 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 408 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 594 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 437 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 445 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 570 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 634 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 593 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 462 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 550 Views