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maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM
No one here but you is trying blame this on anyone but the man who did it.

Except for Glenn Beck calling the murdered children Hitler Youth and trzaska calling Breivik a liberal. His victims were liberals, which is why he killed them, and you expect me to sit silently while people say their deaths JUSTIFY the murderers politics? That's disgusting and we both know it; it's certainly not the kind of thinking I want guiding my countrys welfare, and wtf is wrong with you that you think it's acceptable?

No one here has justified this man's actions or any way defended him all anyone has done is say he in no way shape or form represents them.

No, they say the murderer represents his innocent juvenile VICTIMS, and make that a further indictment of the political views they were murdered for holding. They can't deny the murders were reprehensible, so they deny that the killer shared their ideology and instead insist he was on his victims side. It's like saying Hitler was part of a Jewish conspiracy against the world. That is some truly through the looking glass thinking, man, and the number of American voters subscribing to it is scary. It suggests that Breivik DOES represent an entire political demographic, one with an integral role in US policy.

And sorry but the "I am right by proximity" argument really doesn't fly.

More like "it could've been me, and if I let you fascists keep encouraging the annihilation of liberals by any means necessary, next time it could be". It's not like a liberal has to go to Norway to get gunned down for their politics, is it? That, and a large dose of "come tell the victims parents how much calling Breivik a right wing extremist 'offends' you".

5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others....

7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

If the straight jacket fits, wear it (please).
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1362 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 409 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 407 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 516 Views
Well said - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 428 Views
Thanks. - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 459 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 470 Views
I'm not. - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 640 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 518 Views
No one called him "American right" - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 458 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 491 Views
They don't have to claim him. - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 455 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 467 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 449 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 429 Views
Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 532 Views
Re: Just to be clear - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 392 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 448 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 543 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 551 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 480 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 492 Views
Precisely. - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 423 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 435 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 393 Views
*NM* - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 340 Views
- 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 428 Views
Ignorance is bliss? - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 437 Views
Sometimes - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 476 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 496 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 439 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 453 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 444 Views
Now I see what you mean. - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 433 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 489 Views
I listened to that clip last night - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 502 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 377 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 513 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 485 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 445 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 504 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 430 Views
Really? (+edit) - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 395 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 562 Views
... - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 570 Views
This was my point. - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 408 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 511 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 358 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 403 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 440 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 435 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 408 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 471 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 440 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 373 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 402 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 483 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 481 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 428 Views
Fair enough. - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 433 Views
Pretty funny - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 586 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 392 Views
You people all need to get a grip - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 470 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 444 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 424 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 481 Views
Joel you are so full of shit - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 406 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 530 Views
Oh please, Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 472 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 473 Views
Bullshit - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 474 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 445 Views
*NM* - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 421 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 472 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 498 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 546 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 386 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 485 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 537 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 524 Views
Well - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 429 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 440 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 410 Views
One of us is. - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 461 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 390 Views
Wibble, but maybe. - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 539 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 414 Views
A suggestion - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 426 Views
Maybe. - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 547 Views
But there's a problem in all that - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 612 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 570 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 441 Views
I blame nested threads. - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 529 Views