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I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. nossy Send a noteboard - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM
How many times should I have to explain that I don't support the idea that he is left wing or that I am only referring to the American media? My point that this is simply one of a many examples of the left trying to paint the right as dangerous extremist has been ignored by all while I keep getting reminded, even tough I have made the argument myself, that the left and right are different in the US. If people are either to lazy to read what I am saying or to slow to understand it that really isn't my fault. If I am being unclear say so and will try to be more concise. If someone would like to argue that the left hasn't been trying to paint the right as dangerous radicals I would be glad to hear but I have yet to see that. Instead I get people either arguing points I have either made myself or already conceded or just plain insults. If you want to complain about the lack of rational debate you need to look at the people refusing to have one.

I didn't really have time when I replied to Rebekah. To clarify:
-I don't think you think he's Left.
-I have read what you have said, but I have not seen the mainstream media gloating about him being right (as I have said, doesn't mean it's not happening).
-I think you are confusing people (imo), because it sounds like you're going back and forth -- you agree with us, but are supporting the effort to defend the right. It's laudable, but I still think it's just true to say "right" without also mean every republican I know.
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Fox Condemns (Calling) Norways Right Wing Terrorist (a Right Wing Terrorist). Joel - 26/07/2011 02:31:25 AM 1354 Views
Norway shooter = ultra left-wing anarchist *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 04:11:58 AM 400 Views
How exactly is anarchism ultra left-wing? *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 26/07/2011 05:48:15 AM 400 Views
That part actually makes sense; both are anti-authoritarian, anti-establishment and anti-statist. Joel - 26/07/2011 08:03:19 AM 508 Views
Well said ironclad - 26/07/2011 12:11:45 PM 420 Views
Thanks. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:46:42 PM 450 Views
Re: Norway shooter = Christian fundamentalist Helene - 26/07/2011 05:58:54 AM 461 Views
I'm not. Joel - 26/07/2011 08:14:33 AM 628 Views
funny how we always keep hearing that Europe left isn't Ameircan left random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:18:57 PM 510 Views
No one called him "American right" ironclad - 26/07/2011 01:59:07 PM 450 Views
so why is the left complaining that the American right won't claim him? *NM* random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:06:44 PM 482 Views
They don't have to claim him. ironclad - 26/07/2011 02:08:37 PM 445 Views
Or the left could not use the massacre for political advantage and just call him mad man random thoughts - 26/07/2011 03:29:20 PM 457 Views
I neither care nor am responsible for US media ironclad - 26/07/2011 03:57:08 PM 439 Views
this is an article about the US media or hadn't you noticed? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:27:58 PM 419 Views
Yes but I didn't reply to the main article, but to Trzaska being ignorant ironclad - 26/07/2011 04:36:52 PM 512 Views
Just to be clear ironclad - 26/07/2011 04:42:04 PM 520 Views
Re: Just to be clear nossy - 26/07/2011 04:46:47 PM 382 Views
just be clear I am not defending the argument that he a leftist random thoughts - 26/07/2011 05:30:27 PM 438 Views
People seem to forget that there are several different kinds of Left & Right wing views. Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:23:37 PM 532 Views
sorry that sounds all nice and reasonable but it doesn't really represent reality random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:41:10 PM 540 Views
I get that it is an American TV station making this nonsensical statement, Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:50:36 PM 472 Views
once again I was referring to the use of the term in the US random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:30:48 PM 483 Views
Precisely. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:00:33 AM 415 Views
See, the thing with an extremist, is that he doesn't have all that much in common with jh - 26/07/2011 03:59:05 PM 475 Views
I am not defending the argument that he was a leftist in anyway random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:35:05 PM 477 Views
A right OR left wing extremist is just that; that's why your mouthpieces are so defensive. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:40:46 PM 593 Views
I am not surprised that the left has wasted no time in local for poltical gain from tragedy random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:13:13 PM 427 Views
Yeah, how dare we horn in on your schtick. *NM* Dannymac - 26/07/2011 08:32:43 PM 385 Views
*NM* Aisha - 26/07/2011 08:51:23 PM 333 Views
random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:16:12 PM 420 Views
He murders kids because they're liberal, you spit on their graves: You both belong in an asylum. Joel - 26/07/2011 07:54:08 AM 476 Views
Ignorance is bliss? ironclad - 26/07/2011 11:08:53 AM 427 Views
Sometimes Isaac - 26/07/2011 08:01:27 PM 467 Views
Aaaaaaand you are back on my ignore list. Thanks for confirming my original instincts were right. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2011 11:18:25 AM 297 Views
He says (through his lawyer) ... Nate - 26/07/2011 01:54:51 PM 487 Views
funny how when it is right wing wacko we always see that title applied random thoughts - 26/07/2011 02:09:10 PM 428 Views
I have no idea what you're talking about. Nate - 26/07/2011 03:55:13 PM 445 Views
Ted Kaczynski was a far left extremist random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:24:21 PM 436 Views
Now I see what you mean. Nate - 26/07/2011 04:43:49 PM 427 Views
I would argue that his actions were tied to his beliefs on the specific issue of immigration random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:11:23 PM 352 Views
And Glenn Beck shows his usual good taste Camilla - 26/07/2011 09:11:34 AM 478 Views
I listened to that clip last night snoopcester - 26/07/2011 10:26:24 AM 492 Views
I'm seriously wondering if attacking the victims here will be the tipping point for US fascists. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:30:33 AM 406 Views
Unbefuckinglievable *NM* ironclad - 26/07/2011 11:12:03 AM 367 Views
Oh, and he was also showing what a huge hypocrite he is snoopcester - 26/07/2011 12:12:20 PM 505 Views
I don't want to keep saying "wow," but what else? nossy - 26/07/2011 04:26:32 PM 478 Views
*NM* everynametaken - 27/07/2011 01:49:02 AM 436 Views
why does Fox NEws makes liberals so stupid? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 01:04:50 PM 495 Views
+1 - the mainstream media loves to jump to conclusions like in Arizona..... trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 01:13:12 PM 421 Views
Really? (+edit) nossy - 26/07/2011 04:53:53 PM 384 Views
no the argument started when the media couldn't stop trying to hang him around the neck of the right random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:46:59 PM 553 Views
... Rebekah - 26/07/2011 06:52:45 PM 561 Views
if the term doesn't fit in the US then it makes no sense for US media to use the term here random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:14:40 PM 372 Views
This was my point. nossy - 26/07/2011 08:21:17 PM 400 Views
so are you pulling crap out of thin air now? random thoughts - 26/07/2011 08:36:08 PM 502 Views
You need to take a few deep breaths and take a step back. Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:09:47 PM 349 Views
I may be frustrated but I think it is justified random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:11:09 AM 395 Views
I'm sorry if my comment was stupid. nossy - 27/07/2011 04:38:47 PM 434 Views
I was just taken back a bit because I read it right after complementing you random thoughts - 27/07/2011 06:05:38 PM 426 Views
Who is "traszka"? *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 08:33:49 PM 400 Views
'm going to try not to be offensive here, but the way I see it nossy - 26/07/2011 04:35:54 PM 461 Views
I don't like Fox's opinion news shows and I don't watch them random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:21:01 PM 431 Views
Gah wrong place *NM* Wibble - 26/07/2011 08:32:07 PM 366 Views
It's the liberals fault they were murdered; I get that that's the American far right argument. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:09:25 PM 511 Views
BTW, you understand the American right are the only people on the PLANET who dispute he's far right? Joel - 26/07/2011 11:21:59 PM 394 Views
Joel did you actually read what the Ambassador said? random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:37:39 AM 474 Views
He called it "speculation" that Breivik was part of right-wing extremism. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:03:11 AM 472 Views
Joel you truly are unhinged so I am done *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 01:11:43 AM 420 Views
Fair enough. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:17:43 AM 426 Views
Pretty funny dart_board - 26/07/2011 01:47:19 PM 554 Views
The worst shooting massacre in history is not "pretty funny". Joel - 26/07/2011 11:33:59 PM 384 Views
Wow. Let's just make this about us, why don't we? nossy - 26/07/2011 04:19:06 PM 558 Views
oh please the left is one trying to make about the right random thoughts - 26/07/2011 04:36:39 PM 510 Views
I'm referring to all Americans (both sides) who are currently fighting this out. nossy - 26/07/2011 04:44:45 PM 400 Views
I agree 100% that this issue shouldn't be used in American politics random thoughts - 26/07/2011 06:33:48 PM 472 Views
To Hell with them; even the normally indulgent American public will put them in a rubber room soon. Joel - 26/07/2011 11:36:13 PM 453 Views
You people all need to get a grip Wibble - 26/07/2011 08:33:01 PM 461 Views
+1 - I have no idea why Joel started this thread.....he is obsessed with labels. *NM* trzaska2000 - 26/07/2011 08:39:29 PM 437 Views
Try not replying next time, then. *NM* Stephen - 26/07/2011 10:10:27 PM 417 Views
No, you do not agree with what Wibble said. Your +1 makes zero sense. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:11:31 PM 345 Views
That's what I'm trying to do. Joel - 26/07/2011 10:05:29 PM 473 Views
You are too close to this just now. Wibble - 26/07/2011 10:17:22 PM 436 Views
Probably,but that it happened in perhaps the safest most liberal place on Earth makes it inescapable Joel - 27/07/2011 12:26:45 AM 490 Views
Joel you are so full of shit random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:39:03 PM 397 Views
Read Joel's post title again, will you? Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:21:51 PM 522 Views
Oh please, Legolas ßelals Girl - 26/07/2011 11:44:26 PM 465 Views
Quite. And I have every right to point out they're being insensitive jerks. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:53:28 PM 464 Views
Bullshit ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 04:20:04 AM 466 Views
For the record, I've always supported guns for self defense (and hunting, and liberty from tyranny). Joel - 27/07/2011 10:52:02 AM 490 Views
While I have no real interest in getting involved in the troll fest this post has turned in to snoopcester - 27/07/2011 11:23:46 AM 436 Views
*NM* ironclad - 27/07/2011 11:50:02 AM 411 Views
I don't see any troll posts. Just discussions. ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 02:18:06 PM 464 Views
No trolling? And you include the first reply in that? snoopcester - 27/07/2011 02:28:51 PM 489 Views
so is the troll the person who makes the point or is the people who refuse to acknowledge it random thoughts - 27/07/2011 02:41:31 PM 381 Views
Do you think trz was right to call him an ultra left wing anarchist? nossy - 27/07/2011 04:15:50 PM 432 Views
I assumed he was referring to me when talked about picking fights with people random thoughts - 27/07/2011 05:53:43 PM 458 Views
I don't know why Traska thinks that ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 07:37:50 PM 538 Views
yes Joel did an outstanding job of proving I wasn't being paranoid *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 02:35:05 PM 377 Views
I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled nossy - 27/07/2011 04:00:27 PM 477 Views
Re: I do agree that Joel is too close and is getting too riled ßelals Girl - 27/07/2011 08:09:31 PM 528 Views
extremely offensive...makes them fearful... gives some people... another excuse to try&silence them Joel - 27/07/2011 04:14:37 PM 516 Views
Well nossy - 27/07/2011 04:27:25 PM 421 Views
Joel's title and Joel's post really don't have much in common random thoughts - 26/07/2011 11:52:36 PM 433 Views
Not just some guest on Fox News, also Bushs UN Ambassador. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:32:40 AM 403 Views
One of us is. Joel - 27/07/2011 12:22:44 AM 454 Views
maybe Legolas is right and you are to close to this *NM* random thoughts - 27/07/2011 12:39:29 AM 381 Views
Wibble, but maybe. Joel - 27/07/2011 01:15:31 AM 507 Views
not really have you seen the main board? not much action. random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:40:21 PM 406 Views
Anyone saying Brevik has nothing in common with the American "Right" is lying to themselves Aisha - 26/07/2011 08:49:29 PM 452 Views
glad you could come along, someone has to represent the ignorant kool-aid drinkers random thoughts - 26/07/2011 10:29:52 PM 433 Views
Not helping. Really not helping. *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2011 11:22:53 PM 418 Views
I don't mind them lying to themselves,but promoting the lie incites violent persecution complexes Joel - 26/07/2011 11:40:48 PM 484 Views
A suggestion Larry - 27/07/2011 03:30:14 AM 417 Views
Maybe. Joel - 27/07/2011 04:26:44 AM 539 Views
But there's a problem in all that Larry - 27/07/2011 12:45:24 PM 605 Views
In that response, "they" etc. specifically means the talking heads and their defenders. Joel - 27/07/2011 02:44:25 PM 407 Views
O'Reilly Shreds Media for Calling Norway Terrorist 'Christian' Joel - 27/07/2011 05:14:30 AM 561 Views
Bad Joel, you let this thread go out of hand Roland00 - 27/07/2011 09:29:19 PM 431 Views
I blame nested threads. Joel - 27/07/2011 09:39:04 PM 522 Views
Personally, I blame your need to have the final post in every conversation Postsecret - 27/07/2011 10:27:30 PM 452 Views
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