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Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result Nate Send a noteboard - 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM
People forget that Bush ran as moderate and all his early legislation was bipartisan. Contrary to the the opinions of the talking heads on TV I think the Obama election and even more the ongoing republican primary are a back lash to moderates. That is why I think Perry has an actual shot at winning even though I think he is almost to conservative for Texas during a normal year.

By the way I don't see anyone shouting here.


I don't mean shouting in this thread. Or even on this website in particular, though it's known to happen (textually), and even without the shouting there are some pretty hurtful things said at times by both sides of ye olde fence. And I didn't even necessarily mean literal shouting, but the figurative sort as well. But I mean in the American political landscape in general, particularly the parts that make the news. The news, whichever way it leans, loves to show people who are upset about something.

I remember reading (in a Canadian news magazine) a few years ago about how much of Bush's legislation was quite moderate. It was an interesting read, given the general opinions a person hears.

I don't think the Obama election was a backlash against moderates. Accurately or not, Obama played the let's-stop-fighting-with-each-other card, and promised to try to work with Republicans. It seems to me that he set himself up against the popular opinion about Bush, regardless of the actual facts behind that opinion. I also believe that there was a bit of a popular reaction against the ongoing wars, and a desire for optimism in the face of the financial crisis, all of which played into Obama's favour.

But things certainly seemed to be growing further apart even before that election. That's part of the reason why I supported Obama at the time, and would have voted for him if I was American. Even though McCain had a record for being moderate, his campaign was not making him seem that way, because he had to play to the growing elements in his party that didn't want moderate. In that election campaign, Obama seemed by far to be the more moderate of the two, at least to this non-American observer.

(As a Canadian, I also supported the idea of universal health care. I know several Canadians who would not be able to have a good life if they had been born Americans, because of the health care system, even though their conditions are no fault of their own. Caring for themselves would drain every last financial resource they could muster, and then some.)
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That's an interesting point... - 25/08/2011 10:37:37 PM 544 Views
Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result - 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM 565 Views
It's also worth noting ... - 25/08/2011 11:00:35 PM 448 Views
Wow what a strawman - 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM 635 Views
yes to bad none of that address the point I was making which would make your argument a strawman - 25/08/2011 10:40:01 PM 423 Views
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a question for you... - 26/08/2011 08:08:10 PM 656 Views

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