Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
Nate Send a noteboard - 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM
People forget that Bush ran as moderate and all his early legislation was bipartisan. Contrary to the the opinions of the talking heads on TV I think the Obama election and even more the ongoing republican primary are a back lash to moderates. That is why I think Perry has an actual shot at winning even though I think he is almost to conservative for Texas during a normal year.
By the way I don't see anyone shouting here.
By the way I don't see anyone shouting here.
I don't mean shouting in this thread. Or even on this website in particular, though it's known to happen (textually), and even without the shouting there are some pretty hurtful things said at times by both sides of ye olde fence. And I didn't even necessarily mean literal shouting, but the figurative sort as well. But I mean in the American political landscape in general, particularly the parts that make the news. The news, whichever way it leans, loves to show people who are upset about something.
I remember reading (in a Canadian news magazine) a few years ago about how much of Bush's legislation was quite moderate. It was an interesting read, given the general opinions a person hears.
I don't think the Obama election was a backlash against moderates. Accurately or not, Obama played the let's-stop-fighting-with-each-other card, and promised to try to work with Republicans. It seems to me that he set himself up against the popular opinion about Bush, regardless of the actual facts behind that opinion. I also believe that there was a bit of a popular reaction against the ongoing wars, and a desire for optimism in the face of the financial crisis, all of which played into Obama's favour.
But things certainly seemed to be growing further apart even before that election. That's part of the reason why I supported Obama at the time, and would have voted for him if I was American. Even though McCain had a record for being moderate, his campaign was not making him seem that way, because he had to play to the growing elements in his party that didn't want moderate. In that election campaign, Obama seemed by far to be the more moderate of the two, at least to this non-American observer.
(As a Canadian, I also supported the idea of universal health care. I know several Canadians who would not be able to have a good life if they had been born Americans, because of the health care system, even though their conditions are no fault of their own. Caring for themselves would drain every last financial resource they could muster, and then some.)
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A fine example of the fuzzy logic of the left
- 25/08/2011 06:30:36 PM
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Personally I still favor demographic blind subsidies as the best route to meritocracy.
- 25/08/2011 08:18:20 PM
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Preferential in possible scholarships but not admissions process according to the article
- 25/08/2011 10:26:25 PM
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There are colleges that don't allow homosexuals - or men, or women for that matter.
- 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM
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Ummm, did you read the article?
- 25/08/2011 08:40:46 PM
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Ah, but you are not reading it either
- 25/08/2011 08:53:39 PM
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But that's just a scholarship.
- 25/08/2011 09:34:23 PM
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so you would OK if the only offered it to straight students? *NM*
- 25/08/2011 09:50:44 PM
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You do realize that there are indeed universities refusing admission to gay students?
- 25/08/2011 10:02:41 PM
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I would have no problem with a LGBT only school as long as it didn't take state money
- 25/08/2011 10:27:48 PM
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This is a private university, not a state university *NM*
- 25/08/2011 10:29:15 PM
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sorry that ended with NM. Were you trying to make a point if so I missed it *NM*
- 25/08/2011 10:40:48 PM
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I expect some donor created a scholarship with that stipulation.
- 25/08/2011 10:40:09 PM
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I know my reply to his message may have made in seem that I was objecting to the scholarship
- 25/08/2011 11:10:33 PM
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If you're talking about "affirmative action", then yes, I oppose that.
- 26/08/2011 09:19:33 AM
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I don't really have a problem with this
- 25/08/2011 09:03:55 PM
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I am not arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to do it
- 25/08/2011 09:29:54 PM
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Fair Enough
- 25/08/2011 09:41:25 PM
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The United Church of Christ is a rather liberal denomination - celebrating gay marriages, notably.
- 25/08/2011 10:06:26 PM
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their stated motive was to increase diversity
- 25/08/2011 10:09:17 PM
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well. It could be they just needed a reason, but for some reason couldn't be forthright?
- 26/08/2011 03:28:52 AM
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One of your lines struck me.
- 25/08/2011 10:12:32 PM
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that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
- 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM
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That's an interesting point...
- 25/08/2011 10:37:37 PM
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yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
- 25/08/2011 11:32:19 PM
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Re: yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
- 26/08/2011 09:57:13 PM
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Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
- 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM
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I don't think most people believed Obama was a centrist so much as the anti-Bush
- 26/08/2011 12:40:43 AM
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I think you'll find very few Europeans agreeing with that assessment.
- 26/08/2011 10:18:19 PM
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Wow what a strawman
- 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM
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- 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM
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yes to bad none of that address the point I was making which would make your argument a strawman
- 25/08/2011 10:40:01 PM
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No I do not believe they are needed, nor do I believe they should be desired
- 25/08/2011 10:47:51 PM
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Ridiculous. Everyone knows conservatives are incapable of creativity.
- 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM
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- 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM
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I would definetly check "yes"
- 26/08/2011 12:11:29 AM
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but if they wanted to increase diversity they would offer yo a scholarship for being Muslim
- 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM
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- 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM
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id be a gay muslim, so Id be 3 minorities, a woman, a muslim and a lesbian, now if only I was black!
- 26/08/2011 02:16:50 AM
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I think it's less a failing of the "left"...
- 26/08/2011 03:25:42 AM
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a question for you...
- 26/08/2011 08:08:10 PM
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I guess my question for you is how I made it sound like LGBT=liberal
- 26/08/2011 09:47:16 PM
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My guess is because you referenced "the lefts" fuzzy logic in a thread about a LGBT scholarship.
- 26/08/2011 11:07:32 PM
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