I agree there is a lot of fuzzy logic on the right as well
random thoughts Send a noteboard - 26/08/2011 02:41:03 PM
But I guess what bothers me is a lot of the ideas the left has I would support but they tend to be implemented so poorly. One of the worst things is this tendency to pick winners and losers and to pick them more on they want to win instead of who really needs the help. My wife works in the construction industry and they have been trying to get come contracts with the city and it really shows the ugly underbelly of this sort picking winners and losers. The certified minority companies come in about 50% higher than the none certified companies because they know you have to have a certain percentage of minority owned sub contractors to get the job. Technically the law says you only have to show they you let them bid but in practice the city council won't approve it without at least 25%.
It isn't like the inner city poor are being helped by these programs, the minority owned companies hire the same illegals and pay them the same wages as as none minority companies they just get to line their pockets with some extra tax dollars. Now who is being helped by letting rich minority business men run up extra profit at the expense of the tax payer? I would be all for supporting real programs to help inner city poverty and the horrid cycle it creates but instead I can support hand outs to the chosen few and disadvantage to my own family or I can support republicans. Even fuzzy logic would have trouble getting that wrong.
There are some logic problems on the right but they tend to get worse the further you get from the leadership and policies of the party. The problem with the logic errors on the left is how they affect the leadership or the elite in place like our universities. You can argue that the tea party logic isn't any better than logic of liberal elite but I am not sure it would help them much to argue that.
It isn't like the inner city poor are being helped by these programs, the minority owned companies hire the same illegals and pay them the same wages as as none minority companies they just get to line their pockets with some extra tax dollars. Now who is being helped by letting rich minority business men run up extra profit at the expense of the tax payer? I would be all for supporting real programs to help inner city poverty and the horrid cycle it creates but instead I can support hand outs to the chosen few and disadvantage to my own family or I can support republicans. Even fuzzy logic would have trouble getting that wrong.
There are some logic problems on the right but they tend to get worse the further you get from the leadership and policies of the party. The problem with the logic errors on the left is how they affect the leadership or the elite in place like our universities. You can argue that the tea party logic isn't any better than logic of liberal elite but I am not sure it would help them much to argue that.
A fine example of the fuzzy logic of the left
- 25/08/2011 06:30:36 PM
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Personally I still favor demographic blind subsidies as the best route to meritocracy.
- 25/08/2011 08:18:20 PM
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Preferential in possible scholarships but not admissions process according to the article
- 25/08/2011 10:26:25 PM
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There are colleges that don't allow homosexuals - or men, or women for that matter.
- 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM
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Ummm, did you read the article?
- 25/08/2011 08:40:46 PM
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Ah, but you are not reading it either
- 25/08/2011 08:53:39 PM
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But that's just a scholarship.
- 25/08/2011 09:34:23 PM
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so you would OK if the only offered it to straight students? *NM*
- 25/08/2011 09:50:44 PM
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You do realize that there are indeed universities refusing admission to gay students?
- 25/08/2011 10:02:41 PM
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I would have no problem with a LGBT only school as long as it didn't take state money
- 25/08/2011 10:27:48 PM
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This is a private university, not a state university *NM*
- 25/08/2011 10:29:15 PM
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sorry that ended with NM. Were you trying to make a point if so I missed it *NM*
- 25/08/2011 10:40:48 PM
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I expect some donor created a scholarship with that stipulation.
- 25/08/2011 10:40:09 PM
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I know my reply to his message may have made in seem that I was objecting to the scholarship
- 25/08/2011 11:10:33 PM
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If you're talking about "affirmative action", then yes, I oppose that.
- 26/08/2011 09:19:33 AM
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I don't really have a problem with this
- 25/08/2011 09:03:55 PM
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I am not arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to do it
- 25/08/2011 09:29:54 PM
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Fair Enough
- 25/08/2011 09:41:25 PM
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The United Church of Christ is a rather liberal denomination - celebrating gay marriages, notably.
- 25/08/2011 10:06:26 PM
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their stated motive was to increase diversity
- 25/08/2011 10:09:17 PM
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well. It could be they just needed a reason, but for some reason couldn't be forthright?
- 26/08/2011 03:28:52 AM
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One of your lines struck me.
- 25/08/2011 10:12:32 PM
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that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
- 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM
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That's an interesting point...
- 25/08/2011 10:37:37 PM
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yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
- 25/08/2011 11:32:19 PM
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Re: yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
- 26/08/2011 09:57:13 PM
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Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
- 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM
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I don't think most people believed Obama was a centrist so much as the anti-Bush
- 26/08/2011 12:40:43 AM
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I think you'll find very few Europeans agreeing with that assessment.
- 26/08/2011 10:18:19 PM
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Wow what a strawman
- 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM
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- 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM
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yes to bad none of that address the point I was making which would make your argument a strawman
- 25/08/2011 10:40:01 PM
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No I do not believe they are needed, nor do I believe they should be desired
- 25/08/2011 10:47:51 PM
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Ridiculous. Everyone knows conservatives are incapable of creativity.
- 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM
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- 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM
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I would definetly check "yes"
- 26/08/2011 12:11:29 AM
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but if they wanted to increase diversity they would offer yo a scholarship for being Muslim
- 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM
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- 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM
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id be a gay muslim, so Id be 3 minorities, a woman, a muslim and a lesbian, now if only I was black!
- 26/08/2011 02:16:50 AM
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I think it's less a failing of the "left"...
- 26/08/2011 03:25:42 AM
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I agree there is a lot of fuzzy logic on the right as well
- 26/08/2011 02:41:03 PM
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a question for you...
- 26/08/2011 08:08:10 PM
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I guess my question for you is how I made it sound like LGBT=liberal
- 26/08/2011 09:47:16 PM
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My guess is because you referenced "the lefts" fuzzy logic in a thread about a LGBT scholarship.
- 26/08/2011 11:07:32 PM
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