Re: yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/08/2011 09:57:13 PM
To a lot of people on the right he was a RINO or pretty close to it. McCain was a centrist as well and the right considered him even more of a RINO. So I don't buy the argument that many are making that the country is looking for a centrist. I think a lot of people on the right are looking for a true conservative not some wishy washy compassionate conservative, and not just the tea party. I also don't think the left was looking for a comprising moderate when they elected Obama.
I think "unorthodox" or his favourite "maverick" are better descriptions of McCain than "moderate". Many on the left genuinely appreciated him as a senator - but of course as a presidential candidate he had to care far more about coming across as a good conservative following the party line, and inevitably lost his appeal to Democrats. I frankly know too little about Bush prior and during his first election to say - I was thirteen in 2000.
I think it's not so much that the country is looking for a centrist, as looking for a reconciliator - someone who can lessen the endless bickering and get things done with both parties (and man, was the left ever wrong when they thought Obama could be that guy...). Which obviously is a lot easier if you're a centrist, but being a centrist in itself isn't enough, and as you note the majority of both parties is lukewarm at best about centrists policy-wise.
A fine example of the fuzzy logic of the left
- 25/08/2011 06:30:36 PM
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Personally I still favor demographic blind subsidies as the best route to meritocracy.
- 25/08/2011 08:18:20 PM
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Preferential in possible scholarships but not admissions process according to the article
- 25/08/2011 10:26:25 PM
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There are colleges that don't allow homosexuals - or men, or women for that matter.
- 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM
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Ummm, did you read the article?
- 25/08/2011 08:40:46 PM
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Ah, but you are not reading it either
- 25/08/2011 08:53:39 PM
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But that's just a scholarship.
- 25/08/2011 09:34:23 PM
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so you would OK if the only offered it to straight students? *NM*
- 25/08/2011 09:50:44 PM
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You do realize that there are indeed universities refusing admission to gay students?
- 25/08/2011 10:02:41 PM
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I would have no problem with a LGBT only school as long as it didn't take state money
- 25/08/2011 10:27:48 PM
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This is a private university, not a state university *NM*
- 25/08/2011 10:29:15 PM
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sorry that ended with NM. Were you trying to make a point if so I missed it *NM*
- 25/08/2011 10:40:48 PM
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I expect some donor created a scholarship with that stipulation.
- 25/08/2011 10:40:09 PM
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I know my reply to his message may have made in seem that I was objecting to the scholarship
- 25/08/2011 11:10:33 PM
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If you're talking about "affirmative action", then yes, I oppose that.
- 26/08/2011 09:19:33 AM
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I don't really have a problem with this
- 25/08/2011 09:03:55 PM
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I am not arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to do it
- 25/08/2011 09:29:54 PM
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Fair Enough
- 25/08/2011 09:41:25 PM
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The United Church of Christ is a rather liberal denomination - celebrating gay marriages, notably.
- 25/08/2011 10:06:26 PM
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their stated motive was to increase diversity
- 25/08/2011 10:09:17 PM
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well. It could be they just needed a reason, but for some reason couldn't be forthright?
- 26/08/2011 03:28:52 AM
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One of your lines struck me.
- 25/08/2011 10:12:32 PM
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that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
- 25/08/2011 10:35:05 PM
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That's an interesting point...
- 25/08/2011 10:37:37 PM
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yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
- 25/08/2011 11:32:19 PM
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Re: yes but but despite how much he was hated by the left the right saw him different
- 26/08/2011 09:57:13 PM
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Re: that happened in the US, we elected Bush as a result
- 25/08/2011 10:55:29 PM
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I don't think most people believed Obama was a centrist so much as the anti-Bush
- 26/08/2011 12:40:43 AM
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I think you'll find very few Europeans agreeing with that assessment.
- 26/08/2011 10:18:19 PM
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Wow what a strawman
- 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM
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- 25/08/2011 10:23:45 PM
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yes to bad none of that address the point I was making which would make your argument a strawman
- 25/08/2011 10:40:01 PM
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No I do not believe they are needed, nor do I believe they should be desired
- 25/08/2011 10:47:51 PM
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Ridiculous. Everyone knows conservatives are incapable of creativity.
- 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM
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- 25/08/2011 11:12:10 PM
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I would definetly check "yes"
- 26/08/2011 12:11:29 AM
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but if they wanted to increase diversity they would offer yo a scholarship for being Muslim
- 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM
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- 26/08/2011 12:46:46 AM
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id be a gay muslim, so Id be 3 minorities, a woman, a muslim and a lesbian, now if only I was black!
- 26/08/2011 02:16:50 AM
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I think it's less a failing of the "left"...
- 26/08/2011 03:25:42 AM
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a question for you...
- 26/08/2011 08:08:10 PM
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I guess my question for you is how I made it sound like LGBT=liberal
- 26/08/2011 09:47:16 PM
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My guess is because you referenced "the lefts" fuzzy logic in a thread about a LGBT scholarship.
- 26/08/2011 11:07:32 PM
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