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becuase they would then be limited to voting once and all of ACRON's work would be wasted *NM* Ray Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 01:46:06 AM
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Recreated-sorta-OP: The article below goes over this law that South Carolina is trying to pass to require photo ID. The federal government is stepping in and being all "THIS WILL DISENFRANCHISE BLACK AND MINORITY VOTERS!!!" and South Carolina is getting pissy because it views this as a state's right law that the government is interfering with. I'm just struggling to see how this disenfranchies blacks/minorities.

EDIT: Okay, I chatted with my mom and she pointed out a few things. I think they're fair points.

1) The reaction to this law is somewhat understandable because it harkens back to the old Jim Crow laws and their effects, which aren't even out of the memories of the living.

2) The low income bracket that is likely representative of the minority demographics likely lives on a cash basis and therefore wouldn't necessarily have an ID for things like the bank. I didn't think about that.

3) The accessibility of the DMV is probably lacking, as well as the information regarding how one goes about acquiring a photo ID for free. I brought up public libraries, but my mom pointed out that many of the areas of relevance probably don't have readily accessible public libraries either.

With those considerations, I guess I can see where the federal government is coming from in regards to these people not having IDs and not being able to get them. It still seems like something that a compromise could be reached on, though. Maybe have ID centers besides the DMV? Opening up ID centers could provide jobs (if only a few) for those areas as well.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1887 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 526 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 997 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 890 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1022 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 564 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 850 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 661 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 794 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 717 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 908 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 898 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 501 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 944 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 901 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 825 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 501 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 891 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 523 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 597 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 913 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 511 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 540 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 882 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 896 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 942 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 958 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 832 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1026 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 964 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1024 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 510 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1046 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 513 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 944 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 891 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 516 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 928 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 944 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 619 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 527 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 962 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 894 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 847 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 543 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 421 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 923 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 535 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 983 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 956 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 906 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 854 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1079 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 974 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 909 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 906 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 952 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1092 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 840 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 941 Views
becuase they would then be limited to voting once and all of ACRON's work would be wasted *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:46:06 AM 610 Views
Not to mention it might stop some of those pesky dead people that keep showing up. Every Year. *NM* - 16/01/2012 02:44:42 PM 550 Views
Hey now. Zombies are people too, and deserve to have their opinions noted. *NM* - 17/01/2012 10:23:15 PM 521 Views
I guess you havn't been watching the Walking Dead *NM* - 18/01/2012 07:09:34 PM 541 Views
Nate's one of those Farmer Hershel types. *NM* - 18/01/2012 10:02:48 PM 526 Views
Just a guess but I don't think things will end well for the farmer *NM* - 19/01/2012 07:09:45 PM 564 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 961 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 895 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 531 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 883 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 828 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 812 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 847 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1081 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 981 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1169 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 922 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1025 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 532 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 522 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 884 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 810 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1035 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 872 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1042 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 797 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 849 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 948 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1088 Views

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