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I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article Isaac Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM
For the record I do serve as a poll judge and happen to be rather friendly with just about everyone who works for my local board of elections, and can name off the top of my head every single form of acceptable ID allowed under Ohio law... so be very careful implying ignorance on my part.

Your 5-year old article with obvious bias and tilt from the hack rag that is the NY Times is not, in my opinion, worth the time to read, though I have in fact read it before. It's been cited before, it's been criticized and dissected before. It also predates many of the 2008 election scandals and fraud that tend to be considered pivotal reasons why voter fraud should be a concern. Every aspect of that article is distortive, that questionable cases were prosecuted is not something that should be swept under the rug but is not relevant to what the laws should be and is raised purely to evoke sympathy or criticize the laws where a lack of reasonable arguments against them exist. Even the one cited, what bullshit is that, a felon accidentally voted? By the way, Prude was originally in jail for forgery, so it is not surprising someone might take a skeptical view of a forger attempting to vote, that's not usually a crime committed by people too ignorant to know well-know things like felons typically not being able to vote. Further, she was not a random citizen, she was a campaign volunteer actively involved in calling people to get them signed up for absentee ballots... do you seriously think she has an excuse for not knowing that she had no business voting absentee, especially considering she had a paid position with a get-out-the-vote group?

Now, under current law, since I defend current law and object to widening it - and would point out that citing low voter fraud under the current law even if true wouldn't be pertinent to voter fraud under possible new less restrictive laws - I can not picture a set of circumstances where a reasonable person could be denied the opportunity to vote. Those who forget their ID and have to go back for it but don't have the time do not interest me, for one thing, nobody has much legitimate cause walking let alone driving around without an ID, the latter of which is generally illegal and the former exhibits a great lack of common sense... a trait I generally prefer in voters. Even if they can't do that, most states (probably all but definitely mine) allow a person to vote on the spot provisionally then have ten day to go to the board of elections to prove they are who they claimed. So for that tiny fraction of people who don't have any of the various, often free, forms of ID, they can just swing by the BoE and provide it anytime in the next week and validate their vote. Any implication that our current laws are not fair is in my opinion suspect, implying lack of understanding or ulterior motive.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1928 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 536 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1039 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 918 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1054 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 577 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 890 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 675 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 835 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 759 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 944 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 923 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 514 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 971 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 935 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 861 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 512 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 926 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 535 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 606 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 942 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 524 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 551 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 921 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 933 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 979 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 991 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 865 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1061 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1000 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1071 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 523 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1080 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 527 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 977 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 929 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 528 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 963 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 981 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 630 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 540 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 996 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 931 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 884 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 558 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 435 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 960 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 547 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1056 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 989 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 953 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 883 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1110 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1010 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 943 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 944 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 989 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1123 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 882 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 974 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 994 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 979 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 547 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 918 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 863 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 850 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 880 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1114 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1016 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1202 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 961 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1061 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 546 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 535 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 922 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 837 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1070 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 912 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1080 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 832 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 881 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 978 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1121 Views

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