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imo, fervor has no place in political discussion LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM
Most issues are grey enough that they should be met with consideration and thought beyond one's immediate "fervor". The thing is, there is rarely one right answer for all factors of a political issue. This is a country with a lot of people with a lot of opinions and a lot of problems that are all intertwined. You can't just furiously jerk at one knot and expect it not to affect the entire mess.

Yes. There is the consequence of this law that it can/will make voting more difficult. Not much more difficult, but people will have to take time out of their day to go get an ID card. Which, really, is a good idea to have anyways.

However, there is the question of voter fraud, which has been discussed above.

What worse? Having people who don't vote because they couldn't/wouldn't take the time to go get an ID card, or having an unfair election due to fraud? If you ask me, the latter is a far greater threat to a democracy than the former. The latter decreases representation, but the former leads to a corruption of the entire process.

I don't know. It's something that should be weighed and discussed. It affects much more than the people it immediately affects.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1976 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 556 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 1095 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 964 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1092 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 598 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 937 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 695 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 890 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 807 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 1008 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 965 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 537 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 1017 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 980 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 912 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 533 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 983 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 555 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 625 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 990 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 546 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 574 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 968 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 981 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 1033 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 1067 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 910 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1105 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 1043 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1119 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 543 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1126 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 545 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 1025 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 980 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 549 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 1022 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 1036 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 649 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 563 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 1047 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 985 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 936 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 588 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 455 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 1012 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 566 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 1100 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 1038 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 1002 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 931 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1168 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 1061 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 995 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 993 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 1031 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1172 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 928 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 1040 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 1035 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 1027 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 564 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 963 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 932 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 896 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 928 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1153 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 1064 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1241 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 1022 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1113 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 562 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 554 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 971 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 870 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1119 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 966 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1133 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 886 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 929 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 1026 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1168 Views

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