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Re: The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 04:27:30 PM

Even Congress concedes that. I DO think the onus should be on sites to control what goes through their pipes, but also agree there should be a limit to that onus, one that stops well short of effectively disconnecting them if they happen to miss something. The appropriate response would be a process by which offending content would be removed, subject to independent oversight. Part of the problem here is that we already have a law very close to that (the main difference is the lack of independent oversight,) its inadequacy to the task motivated the pending legislation and the same people who are most critical of the pending legislation are highly critical of that inadequate laws "censorship."

It is hard to take critics of the pending legislation seriously when they argue the existing law that does not do enough actually does too much.

As with so much of government, the bottom line remains: Tell them what they SHOULD do instead of what they should NOT do.

Congress hasn't really conceded anything. Nothing has been changed, so far- SOPA was "delayed," which means "we were hoping to pass this without fuss, but now that people are actually paying attention, we're hoping you'll all forget about this pretty soon."

It's all well and good to say that "sites should be responsible for what is on their pages," but what SOPA means is that if I posted a picture of Batman wearing a funny hat, RAFO could be summarily blocked due to a copyright complaint.


And finally, with regard to your "doesn't do enough, does too much" comment: The point is that "pirates" and "hackers" (these shadowy figures that are being pointed to as a kind of monolithic Axis of Evil) wouldn't be slowed by SOPA in the slightest- there are pretty basic ways to access sites anyway. That's the "doesn't do enough" part.

The "does too much" part is that it sets in place infrastructure to monitor, control, and censor every aspect of the Internet. That was the point of my Denmark story- that even though it starts out saying "oh, we just want to stop this one thing," it becomes a tool that can be used for much more.
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2376 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 1200 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 1288 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1400 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 1260 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1355 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 756 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 728 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 1061 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 716 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 1233 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 1248 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 1152 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 1252 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 1280 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 1270 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 1258 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 1302 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 858 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 1176 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 656 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 1130 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 1199 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 1200 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1357 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 1104 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 1255 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 1107 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 1239 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 1136 Views
Re: There still seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 10:27:32 PM 1397 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 1164 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 1179 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 1154 Views
The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. - 18/01/2012 03:31:20 PM 1181 Views
Re: The devil is always in the details, and it seems clear the details need great revision. - 18/01/2012 04:27:30 PM 1201 Views
If the US government wants to summarily block sites within the US, it already can and will. - 18/01/2012 06:15:53 PM 1168 Views
NO - you are still wrong on this point - 19/01/2012 02:38:14 AM 1146 Views
Power, or authority? - 19/01/2012 03:41:24 PM 1218 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 1156 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1386 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 1140 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 1153 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 1188 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 1014 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 1225 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 1140 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 1127 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 1246 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 1016 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 1277 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 1143 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 1203 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 1231 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 1265 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 1211 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 1137 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 716 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 710 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1361 Views
Hm, you should read my post one above about combatting online piracy. - 18/01/2012 06:20:16 PM 1295 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 1160 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 780 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 1132 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 764 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 628 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 756 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 562 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 1235 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 1173 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 1233 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 1277 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 1257 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1329 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 1250 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 1199 Views

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