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I always liked the codewheels SSI provided with copies of their Gold Box AD&D games. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/01/2012 10:07:40 PM
It's a simple reality that it's easy to copy things nowadays. In the end, everything can be reduced to a number. Copying music, games, and everything else is hard to stop.

For the last few decades, publishers' attempt to stop piracy has been to attempt to make things more difficult for pirates. I listed some in my post above. There have been dozens of methods: CD keys. Code words to read in a manual. Special dongles to plug in while using the product. CDs that dissolve after a few days. MP3s that are hardcoded to your computer (making backing them up, or moving to a new computer, impossible), services where your computer must always be on, invisible background programs that secretly monitor your computer (don't laugh, Sony did it).

And all were ineffective against illegal copying, but all were extremely effective at making life difficult for people who legally bought the products.

The problem is that, due to the nature of piracy, pretty much the only people that anti-piracy measures work on are people who don't know how to pirate something.


So, that said, what can you do? Obviously content creators want to make money from their product, but the nature of that product means that it's impossible to prevent someone from copying it if they really want to.

SOPA won't help- as has been said, anyone with knowledge of DNS can get to a site that's been blacklisted. And there are plenty of piracy techniques that don't rely on getting a file from a centralized web site.

As I've said, the way to mitigate piracy is by making things cheaper and easy to access. Steam did it- it's revolutionized the PC gaming industry. Netflix did it- it's become such a powerhouse success story that people are sitting up and taking a sharp interest.

SOPA is just the latest example of increasingly drastic- and relatively useless- attempts by publishers to deal with piracy (see Sony's "let's install secret software" ploy). They're using a 1950s mindset to deal with a world where everything is information that can be broken down and copied- and that's why it's not successful.

(As a side note, I don't know how informed you are, but the whole piracy debate is one that has been long running, with a lot of interesting arguments. For one thing, it's extremely debatable as to how much piracy actually takes away from profits- for example, if someone who couldn't afford to buy a game pirates something, no income has been lost. Other factors include building customer loyalty through no DRM, and building groundswell support through word of mouth.

I don't necessarily support all those arguments- with the rise of Netflix and Steam (and securing a job), I pirate maybe 5% of what I do, compared to maybe 60% 5 years ago. But it's an interesting topic, and doesn't easily boil down to "MORE DRM TO FIGHT THE HACKERS!";)

And by "liked" I mean "a neat role playing sensitive idea that totally screwed you if you ever lost the codewheel." :P You can still download those games at places like Abandonia, usually cracked, though in some cases "cracked" just means "we scanned the codewheel when we uploaded the game." Since SSI no longer exists and WotC bought TSR years ago, I am not sure whose copyright is being violated there. ;)

Not that I would know anything about any of that first hand, of course.... :whistle:

It has always been fairly easy to copy things; even before movable type printing presses Medieval monks did it (in fact, I have heard that was the REAL reason Latin became so ubiquitous during the Dark Ages: Because much of what those monks did in their cloisters for centuries was copying ancient Greek texts as Latin ones.) The real issue is the penalty for illegally doing so, both in terms of recouping lost revenue and deterrence.

To date, the most baffling--but popular--argument I have seen in this debate is "existing laws are adequate; the media industry is only pushing this because they know they will never receive the fines assessed for illegal copying." Existing laws are unnecessary and the industry is only demanding new ones because existing laws are so ineffectual. :confused:

Remember the horror a few years ago at grammas being hit with $500 fines for EACH of the 300 songs her grandsons (or one of his friends) downloaded on her computer? Remember the widespread laughter when people refused to pay those fines and the RIAA had no way to MAKE them? Well, the RIAA responded by pushing laws to send people to PRISON over it; now who is laughing? I have ZERO sympathy for people who force someones hand then get slapped down for it, particularly when they take food out of peoples mouths for the sake of free entertainment.

Are liabilities for and definitions of "piracy" far too broad now, as they were then? Sure, and that is something sorely needing correction in these bills. However, that people WILL continue to thumb their nose at legitimate copyright protections on the grounds of "freedom of access to OTHER peoples speech" demonstrates (one of) the needs for new laws. From all I have read and heard, SOPA and PIPA are miserable examples of such laws, but there is a real problem here that requires addressing, and it is not going away, nor will Congress ignore it forever due to mass netizen outcry. That is before we even get into things like Wikileaks getting the names of Al Qaeda informants in Pakistan out of the Pentagon, posting them on their site and responding to DoD requests to take them down with "screw off, imperialists!"

Give them a reasonable viable Plan B, and, no, "the media industry should make it easier to legally obtain their content" is not it. SOME piracy will always occur, and thus some effective legal remedy will always be needed; there are not enough people with the moral fiber to spend their limited income on things they can easily obtain for free. When genuine piracy occurs, content producers have the right to enforce their copyrights, and doing so does not infringe on anyones right to free speech. Your right to swing your arm for fun ends where it takes food out of other peoples mouths.
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English Wikipedia Anti-SOPA Blackout - 17/01/2012 08:31:46 AM 2053 Views
Yeah, man, because currently copyright holders have no recourse, am I right? - 17/01/2012 11:47:35 AM 882 Views
"altering the infrastructure of the Internet so as to render RAFO virtually inaccessible"? - 17/01/2012 08:12:27 PM 992 Views
I'll go ahead and ask before I get my panties in a bunch: do you understand these bills? - 17/01/2012 09:09:22 PM 1070 Views
I admit I have not looked into it much - 17/01/2012 11:42:30 PM 939 Views
And yet you're still arguing the matter. - 18/01/2012 02:34:04 AM 1049 Views
I love you. *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:41:03 AM 609 Views
heh, thanks. I usually find myself pushing minority opinions. Nice to be "appreciated" for once. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:01:10 AM 587 Views
Can i second the adulation? - 18/01/2012 04:07:17 AM 777 Views
I too (three?) appreciate the common sense and reasonable explanations. *NM* - 18/01/2012 04:12:59 AM 597 Views
Thanks guys. - 18/01/2012 04:39:00 AM 933 Views
Right, because the argument is not just over THIS bill but, apparently, over ANY bill. - 18/01/2012 11:09:13 AM 938 Views
Alternatives to SOPA/PIPA have been proposed for months now. Please stop arguing this. - 18/01/2012 05:42:10 PM 895 Views
That is really all I ask. - 18/01/2012 06:26:37 PM 930 Views
"sensitive federal content"? Provide a source justifying this claim and it's relevance, please. - 18/01/2012 05:59:47 PM 951 Views
I would not have thought a source necessary. - 18/01/2012 06:24:44 PM 955 Views
Okay, I'm with Aemon now. - 18/01/2012 07:36:21 PM 969 Views
OK. - 18/01/2012 10:16:16 PM 991 Views
Surreal. It's like you're a spam-bot or something. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:23:35 AM 723 Views
That was constructive. - 19/01/2012 03:29:53 PM 868 Views
Very nicely summarised. *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:06:02 AM 528 Views
should be interesting - 17/01/2012 12:41:47 PM 818 Views
Could be; depends on a lot of factors. - 17/01/2012 07:38:55 PM 879 Views
See, that's one of the biggest problems that people aren't understanding. - 17/01/2012 09:31:38 PM 894 Views
So tell them that. - 17/01/2012 11:54:19 PM 1035 Views
Could've done without the snide rejoinder, but, good. - 17/01/2012 02:20:08 PM 819 Views
I love the black banner, like some kind of internet Holocaust. - 17/01/2012 08:03:27 PM 958 Views
Are you aware that SOPA/PIPA has nothing to do with hackers and everything to do with copyright? - 18/01/2012 02:08:56 AM 799 Views
There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 01:08:22 PM 923 Views
Re: There seems to be some overlap. - 18/01/2012 08:13:15 PM 796 Views
Er, what Ghav said. - 18/01/2012 02:30:37 AM 823 Views
Sorry, protecting Pirate Bay and offshore gambling are not compelling counterarguments. - 18/01/2012 11:38:08 AM 869 Views
Okay, another analogy: - 18/01/2012 02:04:12 PM 847 Views
A technical examination of SOPA and PROTECT IP - 18/01/2012 08:32:44 AM 828 Views
"As a disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I'm a sysadmin." - 18/01/2012 12:47:16 PM 1087 Views
wow, you are totally correct! - 18/01/2012 03:45:54 PM 859 Views
That is a separate issue. - 18/01/2012 04:01:24 PM 860 Views
Thank you for posting that. - 18/01/2012 03:09:07 PM 883 Views
Wikipedia has already convinced me - 18/01/2012 03:26:01 PM 708 Views
Trying to stop this legislation without proposing an alternative is trying to stop ANY legislation. - 18/01/2012 03:44:18 PM 934 Views
It isn't their job to propose legislation - 18/01/2012 04:12:53 PM 854 Views
No, but they have as much RIGHT to do so as anyone else. - 18/01/2012 05:31:55 PM 832 Views
Strike three. - 18/01/2012 05:37:55 PM 881 Views
That is fine; that is what people SHOULD be doing. - 18/01/2012 06:03:59 PM 707 Views
Things being better now than they would be under SOPA seems like a legitimate argument to me - 18/01/2012 09:04:18 PM 970 Views
Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 18/01/2012 10:46:48 PM 812 Views
Re: Against SOPA, sure; against ANY new law, no. - 19/01/2012 12:15:48 AM 889 Views
That is a poor approach to drafting legislation, at best. - 19/01/2012 04:37:22 PM 933 Views
About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 04:45:08 PM 968 Views
So true - 18/01/2012 05:08:45 PM 901 Views
Not to go off on a tangent about combatting piracy... - 18/01/2012 05:38:12 PM 807 Views
Entirely agree *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:13:13 PM 579 Views
That was an excellent post. *NM* - 19/01/2012 11:18:19 PM 559 Views
Re: About "proposing new legislation" - 18/01/2012 05:59:55 PM 1043 Views
Hm, you should read my post one above about combatting online piracy. - 18/01/2012 06:20:16 PM 994 Views
I would not recommend photocopying a book and handing it out on street corners. - 18/01/2012 06:45:52 PM 920 Views
Not to blame, neccessarily. But you have to live in the real world. - 18/01/2012 07:31:18 PM 838 Views
I always liked the codewheels SSI provided with copies of their Gold Box AD&D games. - 18/01/2012 10:07:40 PM 1052 Views
These are really different arguments - 19/01/2012 12:05:10 AM 812 Views
For those who want a short, one page explanation... - 18/01/2012 05:41:49 PM 825 Views
Yeah, so I use Russian wikipedia for a day. Or German wikipedia, or French, or Italian... *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:23:36 PM 646 Views
We get it: You are a polyglot. - 18/01/2012 06:27:48 PM 834 Views
Or just hit stop right before the script runs. *NM* - 18/01/2012 06:52:40 PM 614 Views
Or just disable Java. *NM* - 19/01/2012 01:58:03 AM 495 Views
That's not as much fun though. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:13:44 AM 610 Views
Exactly, this way its kind of a game. *NM* - 19/01/2012 02:20:37 AM 435 Views
Or Answers.com, or even the actual sources that are often copy/pasted into Wikipedia... - 19/01/2012 01:07:38 AM 956 Views
They all did it on twitter - 19/01/2012 01:26:19 AM 888 Views
I was asleep much of the day - 19/01/2012 02:40:11 AM 955 Views
Oh, no; now Congress will be inundated with complaints from lazy college students! - 19/01/2012 04:40:12 PM 981 Views
13 previously unopposed senators now do not support SOPA. - 19/01/2012 11:36:15 PM 933 Views
How does that "rebutt" what was a facetious post in the first place? - 20/01/2012 09:24:27 PM 1040 Views
a joke can, indeed, be rebutted... - 21/01/2012 09:07:32 PM 920 Views
Oh, draggie, I ALWAYS see what you do there. - 21/01/2012 10:01:58 PM 878 Views

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