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"And here I thought he was just another politician." Joel Send a noteboard - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM
He is, and has demonstrated that many times.
A politician doing something that is right, that he thinks is right, and isn't there for self gain. Wow. Bold move. I like it. And here I thought he was just another politician. We may just have the right guy in office.

He always does. Once again he offered a half measure expecting to be hailed as a moderate uniter, got blowback from the right, then publicly pledged defiance while just as publicly preparing retreat. Within a few weeks we will be in the classic Obama end game of increasingly half hearted speeches while sending flunkies to negotiate with the most influential conservative leaders before unconditional surrender. After that only the post mortem remains:

1) Conservatives who have always hated Obama and always will, no matter how he grovels,

2) Liberals infuriated he betrayed them yet again,

3) Moderates and independents who elected him to "pull the car out of the ditch" and wonder why it is still there three years later and

4) Obama looking around at them all mournfully wondering, Why do they all despise me...?

The healthcare debate set the tone; it is only fitting leaving "public" healthcare in private hands forces him to repeatedly re-enact that for the rest of his presidency.


You, sir, are utterly ridiculous.

You said a lot of pointless garbage. All I said was that I'm glad Obama is finally doing something right. I personally don't even necessarily want a president who wants the same things as me. I am willing to admit unlike most people that in the end I know jack shit about many things. So what I think is that I'd like to pick a president who I think has the best chance of doing the right things or doing things with something other than self preservation or advancement in mind. Obama made a move like that. I tip my hat to him. Thats all I was saying. I tip my hat to Obama.

You can tip your hat to whomever you like for whatever reason, of course; it is your hat. As far as Obama doing something right and/or not for personal gain, however, it is a bit early in the game to say he has done either. If he wanted to do something right, as a matter of principle and despite the political cost, he should have either granted an exemption to all Catholic institutions or none, not some. Even at that he could claim a oompromise IF he sticks with his half measure—but he will not; he will cave yet again because of blowback from his own party as well as the far right. If he holds the line, I will eat my words, but I would give 5:1 odds he caves, as always.

Obama does not take stands, he takes positions, which shift wildly depending on the prevailing political wind. If this proves an exception to that rule I will tip my hat as well, but right now my HATS position is a lot firmer than Obamas.
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I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 29 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 28 Views
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The subject line didn't help. *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 28 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 27 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 27 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 83 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 28 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 50 Views
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Bullshit. - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 64 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 60 Views
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He is already preparing to cave. - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 78 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 65 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 62 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 79 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 77 Views
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One last point - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 52 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 52 Views
You argument does not make sense - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 82 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 58 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 64 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 57 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 46 Views
In other words, I could. - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 39 Views
Some more points - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 59 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 54 Views
I can't believe you just said that - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 48 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 60 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 80 Views
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The polls disagree with you. - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 62 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 52 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 88 Views
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Nossy that was not Joel, that was me - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 106 Views
I know that. - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 101 Views
Understood. - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 62 Views
mmm... - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 53 Views

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