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I can't believe you just said that Roland00 Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM
Sex may not be a need to the rational mind, but it is a driving force of our nature. Sex is part of what is to be human. Sex drive and sexual needs are different to each person, many people need sexual release. I can't believe you just said that the poor shouldn't have sex. Should they just eat their babies too? (yes I probably just ended the conversation right there with invoking Godwin)

It is a not a payment issue and it is a privacy issue. I can't believe you can't see that. The issue is not how much does the insurance plan cost but the privacy issue about the Church wanting to stop contraception.
Oh, it is nothing like that and you know it. Once they pay you the money is yours, not theirs. We are talking about how they spend money that was NEVER yours, but ALWAYS theirs until they paid it to an insurer. They are wholly within their rights to decide what they will and will not pay that insurer to do. If the insurer decides, for whatever reason, to provide contraception coverage with some of their profits IN ADDITION TO what they have contracted with the church to provide, they are as free to do so as I am to buy porn with my pay once it BECOMES my pay. I just hope the reduced pregnancy costs and lure of the insurance exchange is enough incentive for them to do that, because otherwise they will refuse and there is little anyone can do about it.

I am sorry but I do not see it this way. By the church paying for my insurance but not allow me to have a choice in my insurance, they are dictating what I can and can't spend my money on.

1/3rd of what an employer spends on an employee are benefits unrelated to direct pay but instead are "benefits" The largest benefit by far is health insurance. People can't pick and choose their health insurance plan since they instead get whatever their company chooses for them. The main reason why wages for individuals are flat since the 1970s is not due to lack of productivity increases (we have had a lot of those), no the reason is health cares costs have gone up and instead of the boss giving you a raise or a bonus he instead paid that 15% health insurance premium increase.
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