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The affiliation is the sticking point. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 03:41:33 AM
The situation of Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court was identical to this controversy (prior to the "obama compromise".)

Religious churches were not forced to buy contraception as part of their insurance plan, under Obama's original plan.
Organization not directly affiliated with Religious churches as part of the tax code but were still religious in nature (such as catholic charities, hospitals, etc) were required to have contraception for free as part of their insurance plan.

It is hard to see how an organization operated by the church, or exclusively by its organs if not a part of it.

For example, the below linked group of hospitals: The Wikipedia article claims they changed their name just this year "to better reflect their ministry and the ending of their affiliation with the Catholic Church," but also notes its top executives all come from its seven co-sponors—all of which are orders of nuns. Calling that a mere private corporation that just coincidentally happens to be run exclusively by Catholic Church leaders badly misrepresents the situation. Not only is it impossible to get on the board of directors without being a nun, it is impossible to be one of the executives who SELECTS the board. If that is just a private corporation someone needs to call the EEOC on them. I certainly think the nuns running it have a valid objection to paying for their employees contraception.

Hopefully all this backslapping over Obama scoring a minor "victory" in alarming Americas religious voters (which is the vast majority of them) does not end with churches abandoning non-profit healthcare to preserve their religious convictions. That would hardly be a big triumph for US healthcare, and certainly not for the people to afford to purchase it out of pocket, supposedly the people who benefit most from Obamas healthcare "reform." Since we do not HAVE the public healthcare that would have avoided controversies like this one, that would be less a "triumph" than "disaster that kills millions."
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 1095 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 290 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 201 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 414 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 310 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 227 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 370 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 237 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 204 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 219 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 343 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 180 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 270 Views
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Why? Have you not been paying attention? - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 1585 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 1526 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 1466 Views
Bullshit. - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 1571 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 1542 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 1678 Views
He is already preparing to cave. - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 1622 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 1501 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 1522 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 1583 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 294 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 352 Views
Money is not the same as speech! - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 226 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 357 Views
I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way." - 11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM 329 Views
Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court - 11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM 303 Views
"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation." - 11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM 221 Views
The situation was identical to the pre obama controversy - 11/02/2012 02:42:57 AM 158 Views
The affiliation is the sticking point. - 11/02/2012 03:41:33 AM 321 Views
One last point - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 328 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 249 Views
You argument does not make sense - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 265 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 257 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 342 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 337 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 237 Views
In other words, I could. - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 144 Views
Some more points - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 352 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 326 Views
I can't believe you just said that - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 212 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 356 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 359 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 306 Views
The polls disagree with you. - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 246 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 323 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 441 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 330 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 368 Views
I know that. - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 377 Views
Understood. - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 328 Views
mmm... - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 311 Views

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