Instead of many grocery stores there is only 1 grocery store in a 500 mile radius. There are other grocery stores out there but none where you live which is Utah, only in other states.
You are FORCED to take 30% of your paycheck in a gift certificate to this grocery store. You can't renegotiate with your employer asking for more money and less gift certificate.
You are not mormon.
The grocery store has alcohol in its location for people who aren't hired by the mormon church (they buy it at a normal price), they can buy it just fine but you can not. You can't buy the alcohol for you have that gift certificate, you can't even buy the alcohol with your own money. I repeat you are not mormon.
You can buy your alcohol out of state via the internet but it costs 5 times the normal price since they have to ship it from out of state. Now the normal price is the same in all the states even at your local Utah grocery store, but still you have to pay 5 times the price since you are a "member" of this grocery store even though you have no control over getting paid 30% of your wages in a gift certificate.
You are FORCED to take 30% of your paycheck in a gift certificate to this grocery store. You can't renegotiate with your employer asking for more money and less gift certificate.
You are not mormon.
The grocery store has alcohol in its location for people who aren't hired by the mormon church (they buy it at a normal price), they can buy it just fine but you can not. You can't buy the alcohol for you have that gift certificate, you can't even buy the alcohol with your own money. I repeat you are not mormon.
You can buy your alcohol out of state via the internet but it costs 5 times the normal price since they have to ship it from out of state. Now the normal price is the same in all the states even at your local Utah grocery store, but still you have to pay 5 times the price since you are a "member" of this grocery store even though you have no control over getting paid 30% of your wages in a gift certificate.
That is essentially how Obama is getting around this problem; the cost of people buying it themselves will just (supposedly) be nothing, because the insurers can neither charge for it nor inflate premiums to offset it. Because an administration unconcerned with price oversight will vigorously enforce that via a law that seems unfamiliar with the very concept. Apart from that, my only response is, "OK." Whether or not I am a Mormon is neither here nor there to whether people who ARE, let alone the church itself, should pay for me violating its doctrine.
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Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up
- 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM
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This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again.
- 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM
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For someone who used to be a Con Law professor
- 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM
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In general, I disagree with that view, but not in this particular case.
- 11/02/2012 02:02:42 AM
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Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well.
- 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM
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I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! 
*NM*
- 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM
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*NM*
- 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM
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Wanting both parties to be hit by a bus does not make one non-partisan.
- 09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM
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- 09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM
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You lost all credibility in the first line of your post.
- 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM
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*NM*
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM*
- 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM
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It's one thing to have a bias.
- 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM
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Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms.
- 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM
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The Catholic Church wants to eliminate the birth control coverage requirement entirely.
- 10/02/2012 12:24:01 AM
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Sounds like they just do not want Catholics directly financing; great argument for public healthcare
- 10/02/2012 02:27:36 AM
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I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly.
- 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM
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Why? Have you not been paying attention?
- 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM
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- 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM
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If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote.
- 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM
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How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course.
- 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM
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No everynametaken this is not unconsitutional according to the first ammendment
- 11/02/2012 12:14:29 AM
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Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end.
- 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM
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He is already preparing to cave.
- 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM
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Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said.
- 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM
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Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved.
- 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM
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Yup, the cave already happened.....you could have set your watch to this! *NM*
- 10/02/2012 05:00:02 PM
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Actually, no, I could not; I expected it to take another week or two.
- 11/02/2012 01:27:31 AM
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No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM*
- 10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM
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"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer."
- 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM
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Then that article is wrong.
- 11/02/2012 01:43:40 AM
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Two days ago the White House said it would not back down from requiring school/hospital compliance.
- 11/02/2012 01:57:50 AM
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So in summary... the article you posted was wrong.
- 11/02/2012 02:18:00 AM
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To soon to tell, but if you think so feel free to demand a correction from them.
- 11/02/2012 03:12:40 AM
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Losing the exchanges is a pretty big loss
- 11/02/2012 03:30:15 AM
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So they refuse to cover it for the next two years, then do an about face in 2014.
- 11/02/2012 03:57:53 AM
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If Aetna does not provide the free contraception as part of the compromise
- 11/02/2012 02:46:14 AM
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Yeah, I saw that; if Aetna does not do as Obama says by 2014 they lose out on free profits then.
- 11/02/2012 03:13:36 AM
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So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions?
- 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM
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Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs.
- 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM
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Money is not the same as speech!
- 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM
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And actions are different from both—until others are expected to pay for ones actions.
- 11/02/2012 12:53:40 AM
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No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong
- 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM
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I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way."
- 11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM
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Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court
- 11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM
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"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation."
- 11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM
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One last point
- 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM
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The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes.
- 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM
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You argument does not make sense
- 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM
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It was an analogy, not an equivalency.
- 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM
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Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality
- 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM
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Why could I not buy it with my own money?
- 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM
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Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money?
- 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM
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In other words, I could.
- 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM
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You believe it can't help people since it is not single payer? *NM*
- 11/02/2012 04:31:13 AM
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Since you answered this in your other response I will just adress it there. *MN*
- 11/02/2012 05:59:37 AM
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Some more points
- 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM
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Sex is not a necessity either.
- 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM
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LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a 
in it )
- 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM
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in it )
- 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM
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Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained.
- 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM
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The polls disagree with you.
- 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM
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It is an interesting article, but not for the polls.
- 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM
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I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway
- 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM
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Frankly, I hope Obamacare DOES die, just not because of the public mandate.
- 11/02/2012 07:18:04 AM
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I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad.
- 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM
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There seems to be plenty of Hell raising over it, but you are in the States and I am not.
- 11/02/2012 07:55:51 PM
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I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is
- 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM
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Understood.
- 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM
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mmm...
- 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM
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The man talked about during the campaign was the one elected with a mandate.
- 12/02/2012 02:28:15 AM
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I think Obama (for once) was far more clever you give him credit for...
- 15/02/2012 05:11:10 PM
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Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY.
- 15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM
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