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Re: guns Macharius Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM
The anti-gun control group does also have a point, though I'm not sure I entirely agree, that if everyone in the theater had guns the guy wouldn't have gotten too far. The problem with that argument is that, while in some cases it can make people more polite, in general it just increases the danger for everyone in a broad set of circumstances, and not just when a maniac comes into a theater (which is very rare).


The "funny" thing is that most of the people crying about how if they'd had guns could've stopped him earlier - probably would've panicked anyway and completely forgotten they were carrying in the first place.

Of course, there was an armed robbery of a convenience store about a week ago where a 75-year-old guy pulled out a handgun (he had a legal conceal and carry permit) and shot the robber, injuring him severely and allowing the police to apprehend him...


Unfortunately, I suspect this instance to be a significant minority.

I guess I'm saying I generally support the right to armed self-defense, but I think we need to be reasonable about things like conceal and carry permits, who can get more powerful weapons and things like that.


Reasonable, in America? Surely you jest!

True story: last night, my wife and I were out for a walk with our son and coincidentally enough having a conversation on Colorado and guns/gun control. We hear a series of popping noises along one stretch of our walk, and my wife commented to me that she wondered what all the firecrackers was about. Being more aware of guns, I informed her that she was not hearing firecrackers, but the gun range down by the river. The look on her face was priceless.
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Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control? wooly - 25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM 1465 Views
Kind of? nossy - 25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM 904 Views
Agreed wooly - 25/07/2012 06:20:44 AM 758 Views
Re: Agreed nossy - 25/07/2012 06:29:16 AM 901 Views
A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too. Cannoli - 25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM 891 Views
Feisty. nossy - 25/07/2012 09:54:31 PM 997 Views
I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything A Deathwatch Guard - 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM 829 Views
I am mostly in agreement with you. wooly - 26/07/2012 02:11:56 AM 700 Views
Fully automatic weapons are already forbidden, aren't they? A Deathwatch Guard - 27/07/2012 02:19:57 AM 823 Views
Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US) snoopcester - 25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM 910 Views
I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. Stephen - 25/07/2012 11:41:13 AM 959 Views
Re: I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. snoopcester - 25/07/2012 01:21:36 PM 853 Views
Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns Isaac - 25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM 1038 Views
I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. nossy - 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM 941 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. Macharius - 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM 843 Views
Re: moondog - 25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM 884 Views
Okay, that makes no sense Isaac - 25/07/2012 04:32:28 PM 897 Views
Re: Re: Macharius - 25/07/2012 05:50:23 PM 930 Views
My dad's gun were stolen and the police said they didn't need to even take fingerprints random thoughts - 25/07/2012 06:58:36 PM 906 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. nossy - 25/07/2012 10:48:46 PM 932 Views
I understand, but you probably should if time permits Isaac - 25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM 1045 Views
It is unlikely to, for a while. nossy - 25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM 925 Views
Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though Isaac - 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM 859 Views
... his was shorter? nossy - 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM 786 Views
Yeah but mine had diagrams! Isaac - 26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM 864 Views
I do sometimes need pictures. nossy - 26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM 714 Views
Re: I do sometimes need pictures. Isaac - 26/07/2012 04:57:57 PM 868 Views
*NM* nossy - 26/07/2012 05:23:11 PM 415 Views
Where exactly did you get those numbers? Legolas - 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM 881 Views
He's right as far as numbers go. Nate - 27/07/2012 08:08:02 PM 916 Views
Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation Isaac - 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM 944 Views
Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies. Legolas - 31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM 868 Views
I'm not surprised there were missing incidents Isaac - 31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM 842 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents Legolas - 31/07/2012 09:14:34 PM 817 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents Isaac - 31/07/2012 11:56:05 PM 982 Views
Norway? Scotland? Cannoli - 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM 815 Views
You can keep this up nossy - 25/07/2012 09:56:28 PM 809 Views
Hi, Cannoli. Nate - 25/07/2012 10:30:56 PM 828 Views
well it could have at least double posted the edited version random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:40:32 PM 782 Views
Most of those numbers come from inner city violence random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:40:34 PM 997 Views
Re: Hi, Cannoli. Cannoli - 09/08/2012 09:07:03 PM 886 Views
The UK tightened gun laws after the Dunblane massacre. Rebekah - 25/07/2012 10:58:08 PM 770 Views
And yet, the people who do these things tend to be more respectful of guns Tom - 25/07/2012 03:44:31 PM 830 Views
Well working with dangeorus items tends to lead to respect and caution or a Darwin Award Isaac - 25/07/2012 04:52:13 PM 881 Views
I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people Tom - 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM 889 Views
Re: guns Macharius - 25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM 938 Views
what is the basis for your argument that people would have panicked and forgotten their guns? random thoughts - 25/07/2012 04:45:46 PM 791 Views
My basis is that people are people - subject to panic, confusion, and fear. *NM* Macharius - 25/07/2012 05:46:58 PM 470 Views
Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience Isaac - 25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM 837 Views
Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience ironclad - 25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM 942 Views
Putting your hand on something is a little different then shooting someone Isaac - 25/07/2012 08:13:59 PM 797 Views
The problem with banning assualt weapons is the defention is mostly cosmetic random thoughts - 25/07/2012 05:29:35 PM 788 Views
Bullshit Roland00 - 26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM 934 Views
I call Bullshit on your Bullshit random thoughts - 26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM 845 Views
Or nossy - 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM 754 Views
There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater random thoughts - 26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM 767 Views
HE was talking about normal people. nossy - 26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM 871 Views
I think we are talking past each other random thoughts - 26/07/2012 05:55:48 PM 844 Views
Possibly. We do do that. nossy - 26/07/2012 06:52:58 PM 873 Views
In addition to random thoughts's points... Tom - 26/07/2012 03:10:56 PM 800 Views
You're partially right but mostly wrong Isaac - 26/07/2012 05:46:27 PM 855 Views
i have pretty strong feelings that they should be better regulated than they currently are moondog - 25/07/2012 03:18:10 PM 786 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong.... Jeordam - 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM 1013 Views
You're wrong Isaac - 25/07/2012 04:37:22 PM 780 Views
I believe it was the ammunition he bought in large amounts online, not the guns themselves. Legolas - 25/07/2012 07:22:31 PM 813 Views
Yes. Palatine - 25/07/2012 05:09:36 PM 783 Views
Yes and I am glad it's not my problem. ironclad - 25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM 927 Views
Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant Cannoli - 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM 1012 Views
Come back when you can discuss something without attacking someone. ironclad - 26/07/2012 12:58:47 AM 814 Views
Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense Dark Knight - 25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM 822 Views
It makes lots of sense, actually. Legolas - 25/07/2012 11:55:59 PM 822 Views
They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM* ironclad - 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM 403 Views
they don't typically bring guns here either random thoughts - 26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM 917 Views
That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers Isaac - 26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM 765 Views
Ha! ironclad - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 PM 698 Views
One of my Marine friends became a Fort Worth cop when he got out random thoughts - 26/07/2012 03:11:12 PM 882 Views
You get some wild stories Isaac - 26/07/2012 06:09:52 PM 894 Views
Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun Dark Knight - 25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM 788 Views
Agreed. It's really a lot like health care, in a way. Legolas - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 AM 899 Views
the argument of if America should have a lot guns is a long over random thoughts - 26/07/2012 03:29:50 PM 750 Views
See, there's another one of those BS stats tricks, 'family members' includes suicides and murder Isaac - 26/07/2012 06:47:54 PM 781 Views
Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms. Ghavrel - 26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM 854 Views
assault rifles are banned random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM 827 Views
I know the distinction. That's why I want a more clearly defined term for "assault weapon." Ghavrel - 27/07/2012 09:46:11 AM 956 Views
Then stay away from the hyperbole because an Uzi is a sub machinegun so it is banned random thoughts - 27/07/2012 01:48:50 PM 802 Views
Touchy Jedi Wolf Sister - 28/07/2012 04:33:46 AM 1003 Views
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