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Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. nossy Send a noteboard - 25/07/2012 10:48:46 PM
I don't feel bad about asking that there be mandatory training, licensing, tracking, limits on who can buy, etc.

Which is fine, until some criminal breaks into your house and steals all your guns. Now what? Your trained, licensed, tracked, and limited purchases are now in the hands of someone who not only meets none of these specifications, but is actually likely to do something with them! (and yes, my dad had this happen - so it's not a hypothetical argument for me)

I'm really not sure what you want me to say - I am not for making no rules just because people will break them. I would expect your father to have reported this, and then if the guns surfaced in a crime there would be trackable knowledge of how, when, etc they got out on the scene. It might not be completely helpful, but that still doesn't mean I don't want normal citizens to have to have had some gun education and a license. It feels a little like birth control - well, she doesn't it use it, why should I? (answer seems a little obvious to me)

I don't do the "guns are evil" thing, but I do know they can kill a heck of a lot better than knives or sticks.

Pipe bombs are even easier to make than guns, and in a crowded theater or bus would probably kill even more than a single person armed with guns... which is exactly what was happening in Israel/Palestine what, 15 years ago?

Yess.... ? I still am not sure how to answer. I realize that if someone wants to kill, that will happen somehow. I'm not making any arguments about that. As I admitted to wooly when this all started, it certainly isn't possible to make the system work perfectly. Doesn't mean we shouldn't educate and protect where we can. *shrugs*
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Do you have strong feelings/opinions about gun control? wooly - 25/07/2012 05:48:56 AM 1542 Views
Kind of? nossy - 25/07/2012 05:59:39 AM 993 Views
Agreed wooly - 25/07/2012 06:20:44 AM 876 Views
Re: Agreed nossy - 25/07/2012 06:29:16 AM 981 Views
A lot of people are uncomfortable about homsexuality. Let's ban that too. Cannoli - 25/07/2012 09:26:46 PM 973 Views
Feisty. nossy - 25/07/2012 09:54:31 PM 1096 Views
I'm pro-guns, but I don't think I have strong feelings about anything A Deathwatch Guard - 25/07/2012 07:36:31 AM 908 Views
I am mostly in agreement with you. wooly - 26/07/2012 02:11:56 AM 778 Views
Fully automatic weapons are already forbidden, aren't they? A Deathwatch Guard - 27/07/2012 02:19:57 AM 899 Views
Pretty strong (as someone born, raised and living outside the US) snoopcester - 25/07/2012 11:23:52 AM 990 Views
I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. Stephen - 25/07/2012 11:41:13 AM 1044 Views
Re: I'm okay with guns in very limited circumstances. snoopcester - 25/07/2012 01:21:36 PM 953 Views
Inevitable thread, but mostly I feel people enters this debate without knowing enough about guns Isaac - 25/07/2012 02:05:12 PM 1150 Views
I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. nossy - 25/07/2012 02:47:05 PM 1065 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. Macharius - 25/07/2012 03:00:07 PM 925 Views
Re: moondog - 25/07/2012 03:30:44 PM 966 Views
Okay, that makes no sense Isaac - 25/07/2012 04:32:28 PM 972 Views
Re: Re: Macharius - 25/07/2012 05:50:23 PM 1006 Views
My dad's gun were stolen and the police said they didn't need to even take fingerprints random thoughts - 25/07/2012 06:58:36 PM 992 Views
Re: I have to admit that I didn't read most of that, sorry. nossy - 25/07/2012 10:48:46 PM 1008 Views
I understand, but you probably should if time permits Isaac - 25/07/2012 03:49:49 PM 1117 Views
It is unlikely to, for a while. nossy - 25/07/2012 10:37:30 PM 1013 Views
Oh, but you have time to read Cannoli though Isaac - 26/07/2012 01:10:50 AM 939 Views
... his was shorter? nossy - 26/07/2012 02:41:48 PM 867 Views
Yeah but mine had diagrams! Isaac - 26/07/2012 03:46:49 PM 944 Views
I do sometimes need pictures. nossy - 26/07/2012 04:55:17 PM 793 Views
Re: I do sometimes need pictures. Isaac - 26/07/2012 04:57:57 PM 943 Views
*NM* nossy - 26/07/2012 05:23:11 PM 452 Views
Where exactly did you get those numbers? Legolas - 27/07/2012 07:23:31 PM 959 Views
He's right as far as numbers go. Nate - 27/07/2012 08:08:02 PM 1002 Views
Wikipedia, the unchallenged source for acurate and complete citation Isaac - 27/07/2012 08:19:40 PM 1036 Views
Sorry, I totally forgot about this post, hadn't noticed your replies. Legolas - 31/07/2012 07:42:43 PM 956 Views
I'm not surprised there were missing incidents Isaac - 31/07/2012 08:18:04 PM 925 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents Legolas - 31/07/2012 09:14:34 PM 898 Views
Re: I'm not surprised there were missing incidents Isaac - 31/07/2012 11:56:05 PM 1064 Views
Norway? Scotland? Cannoli - 25/07/2012 09:31:49 PM 894 Views
You can keep this up nossy - 25/07/2012 09:56:28 PM 903 Views
Hi, Cannoli. Nate - 25/07/2012 10:30:56 PM 903 Views
well it could have at least double posted the edited version random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:40:32 PM 854 Views
Most of those numbers come from inner city violence random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:40:34 PM 1086 Views
Re: Hi, Cannoli. Cannoli - 09/08/2012 09:07:03 PM 991 Views
The UK tightened gun laws after the Dunblane massacre. Rebekah - 25/07/2012 10:58:08 PM 858 Views
And yet, the people who do these things tend to be more respectful of guns Tom - 25/07/2012 03:44:31 PM 921 Views
Well working with dangeorus items tends to lead to respect and caution or a Darwin Award Isaac - 25/07/2012 04:52:13 PM 953 Views
I have no problem with guns, but I agree that assault weapons shouldn't be legal for ordinary people Tom - 25/07/2012 02:56:38 PM 995 Views
Re: guns Macharius - 25/07/2012 03:07:30 PM 1007 Views
what is the basis for your argument that people would have panicked and forgotten their guns? random thoughts - 25/07/2012 04:45:46 PM 868 Views
My basis is that people are people - subject to panic, confusion, and fear. *NM* Macharius - 25/07/2012 05:46:58 PM 509 Views
Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience Isaac - 25/07/2012 06:14:57 PM 922 Views
Re: Most people who regularly carry weapons reach for them when spooked, in my experience ironclad - 25/07/2012 06:45:02 PM 1020 Views
Putting your hand on something is a little different then shooting someone Isaac - 25/07/2012 08:13:59 PM 874 Views
The problem with banning assualt weapons is the defention is mostly cosmetic random thoughts - 25/07/2012 05:29:35 PM 871 Views
Bullshit Roland00 - 26/07/2012 01:52:59 PM 1012 Views
I call Bullshit on your Bullshit random thoughts - 26/07/2012 02:59:09 PM 927 Views
Or nossy - 26/07/2012 03:20:12 PM 835 Views
There a lot of us with military training and some were in that theater random thoughts - 26/07/2012 03:43:52 PM 848 Views
HE was talking about normal people. nossy - 26/07/2012 04:53:16 PM 982 Views
I think we are talking past each other random thoughts - 26/07/2012 05:55:48 PM 934 Views
Possibly. We do do that. nossy - 26/07/2012 06:52:58 PM 953 Views
In addition to random thoughts's points... Tom - 26/07/2012 03:10:56 PM 884 Views
You're partially right but mostly wrong Isaac - 26/07/2012 05:46:27 PM 935 Views
i have pretty strong feelings that they should be better regulated than they currently are moondog - 25/07/2012 03:18:10 PM 865 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong.... Jeordam - 25/07/2012 03:53:07 PM 1096 Views
You're wrong Isaac - 25/07/2012 04:37:22 PM 864 Views
I believe it was the ammunition he bought in large amounts online, not the guns themselves. Legolas - 25/07/2012 07:22:31 PM 910 Views
Yes. Palatine - 25/07/2012 05:09:36 PM 864 Views
Yes and I am glad it's not my problem. ironclad - 25/07/2012 06:41:56 PM 993 Views
Well, you're missing the flaw in your reasoning...probably because you're appallingly ignorant Cannoli - 25/07/2012 09:19:18 PM 1089 Views
Come back when you can discuss something without attacking someone. ironclad - 26/07/2012 12:58:47 AM 898 Views
Dude, your burglary argument makes no sense Dark Knight - 25/07/2012 11:09:37 PM 896 Views
It makes lots of sense, actually. Legolas - 25/07/2012 11:55:59 PM 903 Views
They don't bring guns here. Huh. *NM* ironclad - 26/07/2012 12:59:15 AM 446 Views
they don't typically bring guns here either random thoughts - 26/07/2012 02:01:14 AM 1006 Views
That's how I understand it too but I'm dubious, many criminals are dumber than a bag of hammers Isaac - 26/07/2012 02:22:18 AM 857 Views
Ha! ironclad - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 PM 780 Views
One of my Marine friends became a Fort Worth cop when he got out random thoughts - 26/07/2012 03:11:12 PM 978 Views
You get some wild stories Isaac - 26/07/2012 06:09:52 PM 976 Views
Like I've always said, you can't un-invent the gun Dark Knight - 25/07/2012 11:05:22 PM 867 Views
Agreed. It's really a lot like health care, in a way. Legolas - 26/07/2012 12:07:20 AM 972 Views
the argument of if America should have a lot guns is a long over random thoughts - 26/07/2012 03:29:50 PM 835 Views
See, there's another one of those BS stats tricks, 'family members' includes suicides and murder Isaac - 26/07/2012 06:47:54 PM 867 Views
Sure, but you can legislate certain excessive firearms. Ghavrel - 26/07/2012 09:41:12 PM 959 Views
assault rifles are banned random thoughts - 26/07/2012 10:51:28 PM 906 Views
I know the distinction. That's why I want a more clearly defined term for "assault weapon." Ghavrel - 27/07/2012 09:46:11 AM 1033 Views
Then stay away from the hyperbole because an Uzi is a sub machinegun so it is banned random thoughts - 27/07/2012 01:48:50 PM 886 Views
Touchy Jedi Wolf Sister - 28/07/2012 04:33:46 AM 1088 Views
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