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Specious reasoning. Tom Send a noteboard - 26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM
The United States is a nation of immigrants that also imported millions of Africans against their will, only to free them from bondage in the Civil War. To become "an American", all one has to do is enter legally, spend a few years as a permanent resident, pass an English and civics test and take an oath. Very few people are excluded.

By contrast, one cannot become Greek just by becoming a citizen of Greece, any more than one could become Russian, or German or French. Unlike the United States (and a few other countries), most nations are ethnic homelands for distinct cultures.

As a result, I characterize (and I think most people, including most Europeans, would agree) the debate around immigration into European nations, whether legal or illegal, as at the same level as the issue about illegal immigration in the United States. I'm not saying that I espouse the views of people who want no immigration at all (I don't) but I think they still have a right to have those views.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Am I the only one who thinks Voula Papachristou should not have been kicked out of the Olympics? - 25/07/2012 10:55:19 PM 1325 Views
Being on a country's Olympic team is a privilege, not a right - 25/07/2012 11:00:24 PM 812 Views
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So that excuses thought control? - 25/07/2012 11:49:58 PM 897 Views
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Even worse. - 26/07/2012 12:08:05 AM 804 Views
Erm - 26/07/2012 12:29:32 AM 841 Views
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Because the IOC throws them out if the national government interferes in the national committe. *NM* - 26/07/2012 12:43:39 AM 445 Views
Well, that's absurd. - 26/07/2012 01:09:41 AM 916 Views
As with most things, I doubt the practice matches the theory - 26/07/2012 10:45:55 AM 814 Views
Africans != illegals - 25/07/2012 11:19:32 PM 873 Views
Specious reasoning. - 26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM 739 Views
Who are you to decide that? - 26/07/2012 12:16:45 AM 902 Views
I'm not the one deciding. - 26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM 736 Views
Essentially you're saying "there are lots of racists in Europe". - 26/07/2012 08:28:26 AM 858 Views
That's an oversimplification. - 29/07/2012 03:13:14 AM 807 Views
You stated it as a fact. - 26/07/2012 07:49:58 PM 796 Views
I think any organisation should have the right to choose who represents them - 25/07/2012 11:20:36 PM 814 Views
Well, but that's not the end of it. - 26/07/2012 12:12:09 AM 877 Views
It is for me - 26/07/2012 12:26:25 AM 787 Views
So...conformity ahead? *NM* - 26/07/2012 12:40:03 AM 384 Views
Is that all that happened? - 25/07/2012 11:28:17 PM 750 Views
That and some pro-Golden Dawn statements. - 26/07/2012 12:14:25 AM 941 Views
For me it is more than enough - 26/07/2012 12:32:35 AM 726 Views
It's not what happened to her that I typically waver on. - 27/07/2012 03:08:45 PM 764 Views
It's not a matter of freedom of expression - 26/07/2012 09:49:59 PM 945 Views
This. *NM* - 26/07/2012 10:26:37 PM 404 Views
I oppose censorship even if it is not comng from the government - 26/07/2012 10:16:30 PM 784 Views
How is it censorship? - 27/07/2012 02:33:30 AM 887 Views
try looking up the word censorship and ask yourself would their actions supress speech - 27/07/2012 02:59:11 AM 1016 Views
I know the definition thank you. How exactly was her communication suppressed? - 27/07/2012 05:54:39 PM 911 Views
you are right public punishment of political expression could never been seen as suppression - 27/07/2012 06:20:15 PM 1033 Views
Well - 27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM 785 Views
Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM* - 27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM 462 Views
Hello earth.... "food from home". - 27/07/2012 08:26:15 PM 764 Views
OK I repeat my question: Where did she she WANTED them to be bit? - 30/07/2012 09:07:01 PM 1081 Views
Um, she referred to them as food? - 27/07/2012 08:38:22 PM 815 Views
No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM* - 30/07/2012 09:09:18 PM 518 Views
No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM* - 30/07/2012 09:09:27 PM 427 Views
I'm with you on this - I don't think she wanted them to be bitten. - 27/07/2012 09:02:05 PM 839 Views
It was insensitive at best - 30/07/2012 09:25:06 PM 1291 Views
One problem. - 27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM 791 Views
Exactly - 27/07/2012 12:05:14 PM 792 Views
I know you said it but do you actually believe it? - 27/07/2012 01:56:35 PM 770 Views
It's a good question, but yes, I do. - 27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM 815 Views
Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else? - 27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM 731 Views
Yes, that is clearly exactly what I said. - 27/07/2012 05:10:37 PM 777 Views
i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her? - 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM 791 Views
Surely you don't think... - 27/07/2012 02:57:47 PM 704 Views
Heh. - 27/07/2012 05:53:07 PM 941 Views
Typo? There are limits to our credulity... or to mine, anyway. - 27/07/2012 06:27:44 PM 789 Views
Looks like Voula Papachristou agrees with Tom - 27/07/2012 07:09:30 PM 816 Views
Quite understandable. But so's the Greek OC's decision. - 27/07/2012 07:11:31 PM 822 Views
And now a Swiss footabller has gone as well - 30/07/2012 08:22:45 PM 835 Views
That's just poor sportsmanship. *NM* - 30/07/2012 08:53:53 PM 523 Views
And an Australian athlete has been sent home now - 04/08/2012 10:12:12 AM 658 Views

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