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Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship nossy Send a noteboard - 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM
I see no room to argue about whether or not it is censorship and this in effect what you argued when you claimed no one was trying to silence since that is what censorship is. If pointing that out is offense then my only defense is I am offended by censorship and more offended by trying to give it a new coat of paint and then asking everyone to believe it is something else.

No, i did not argue that. I do think she is being censored, but our disagreement is that I think it is acceptable. I'm sorry, but she should have known that "joking" about a deadly virus being well fed with all the Africans around is a stupid, stupid thing to say, especially if she wanted to be on the team. There are codes of action, and this is one of them. She should have to abide by that if she wants to be included. The other athletes are going around following the acceptable behavior, and so should she. I would like to walk in and call my boss an ass, but I can't do that either. Is that incorrect censorship, or is that me breaking the workplace rules?

You argued that none is telling her to silent and I guess if you look at it narrowly enough that may be true but they are certainly trying to send the message that everyone else needs to keep their mouths shut or suffer the same fate. This isn’t a mild rebuke, the woman has worked her whole trying to compete in these games and she is being denied that because some bureaucrats took offense to an off color joke and her politcial party.

And how did she not know that could happen? I do not believe she had no idea she could be punished. She has to take responsibility for that, IMO.

I see lots of mention of that political party and that certainly smacks of political motivation behind the censorship. I don’t know anything about this party she belongs to except that it has been called far right but one of two things are true. Either the party is more KKK than it is Tea Party and they promote hate and violence in which case sheshould have been banned regardless of the joke or it is a party that objects to having Greece over run by African immigrants in which case she has a right to that opinion regardless of the politics of the committee members and it is highly in inappropriate for them to bring her political beliefs into the discussion.

I don't really disagree with that, but a case could be made that says she used fame she has gained by qualifying for the Olympics to get her words out there, and that that platform should have the right to distance itself from any sort of unfavorable political statements. Would we be talking about this at all if she weren't famous BECAUSE of the Olympics?

I do think there are times when censorship is required but I also believe we need to always keep that as far towards acceptance as possible. Banning someone from the Olympics for a tweeting an unfunny off color joke falls well short of that. If what she said offends people let that hurt with the lack of endorsements but don’t have a small unelected body say she is unworthy of representing her country because of a joke and her political party. That is blatant censorship and not the necessary evil sort of censorship but the sort that requires group think and suppresses the free exchange of idea.

See above. I do think they have the right not to let her use them to say something they oppose. She can say it elsewhere, and should have waited to share these things if she wanted to be a part of their team.
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try looking up the word censorship and ask yourself would their actions supress speech - 27/07/2012 02:59:11 AM 872 Views
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Well - 27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM 656 Views
Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM* - 27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM 412 Views
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One problem. - 27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM 645 Views
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where do you people get these backasswards idea of what censorship is? PCmart? - 27/07/2012 02:01:29 PM 702 Views
We can have this conversation w/o you being mean. - 27/07/2012 02:57:02 PM 660 Views
I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship - 27/07/2012 04:18:54 PM 753 Views
Re: I never claimed I was against repercussions and people here are denying it is censorship - 27/07/2012 05:01:37 PM 664 Views
OK did I miss read what you said? - 27/07/2012 06:41:51 PM 823 Views
No, but the disagreement is important. - 27/07/2012 07:09:11 PM 638 Views
I know you said it but do you actually believe it? - 27/07/2012 01:56:35 PM 634 Views
It's a good question, but yes, I do. - 27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM 686 Views
Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else? - 27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM 591 Views
Yes, that is clearly exactly what I said. - 27/07/2012 05:10:37 PM 634 Views
i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her? - 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM 652 Views
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And now a Swiss footabller has gone as well - 30/07/2012 08:22:45 PM 697 Views
That's just poor sportsmanship. *NM* - 30/07/2012 08:53:53 PM 467 Views
And an Australian athlete has been sent home now - 04/08/2012 10:12:12 AM 522 Views

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