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I'm not the one deciding. Tom Send a noteboard - 26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM
Just because the Left in Europe has embraced the French (not American) notion of nationalism doesn't mean that everyone has followed suit. Marine Le Pen got about 18% of the vote, and I suspect that if one polled the French about their views on immigration a lot of Sarkozy supporters could be added to that 18%. There is profound anti-immigrant sentiment in some parts of Germany as well, and the Sarrazin book essentially makes the anti-immigrant point.

It is clear that significant portions of the nation in almost EVERY European country are opposed to immigration, even legal immigration in many cases, and massive numbers of Europeans will NEVER accept someone who is not ethnically French, German, Dutch, etc. as being "one of" them. I'm not the one deciding; I'm just stating the facts. Recent articles in The Economist have even pointed out that America is unlike European nations in this respect.

You might wish that it were otherwise, or you personally might consider that an African immigrant to Greece who gets citizenship is just as Greek as anyone else, but the vast majority of people aren't going to think that the person is "Greek", and a significant number of people (majority? minority? hard to say, depends on the country) will not accept them.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Specious reasoning. - 26/07/2012 12:07:08 AM 816 Views
Who are you to decide that? - 26/07/2012 12:16:45 AM 981 Views
I'm not the one deciding. - 26/07/2012 12:36:17 AM 819 Views
Essentially you're saying "there are lots of racists in Europe". - 26/07/2012 08:28:26 AM 938 Views
That's an oversimplification. - 29/07/2012 03:13:14 AM 891 Views
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Well, but that's not the end of it. - 26/07/2012 12:12:09 AM 955 Views
It is for me - 26/07/2012 12:26:25 AM 867 Views
So...conformity ahead? *NM* - 26/07/2012 12:40:03 AM 418 Views
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That and some pro-Golden Dawn statements. - 26/07/2012 12:14:25 AM 1022 Views
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It's not what happened to her that I typically waver on. - 27/07/2012 03:08:45 PM 839 Views
It's not a matter of freedom of expression - 26/07/2012 09:49:59 PM 1030 Views
This. *NM* - 26/07/2012 10:26:37 PM 437 Views
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Well - 27/07/2012 07:20:27 PM 868 Views
Where did she ever imply she wanted them to be bitten? *NM* - 27/07/2012 08:03:05 PM 502 Views
Hello earth.... "food from home". - 27/07/2012 08:26:15 PM 836 Views
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Um, she referred to them as food? - 27/07/2012 08:38:22 PM 910 Views
No what is silly is inferring that she hoped they would be bitten *NM* - 30/07/2012 09:09:18 PM 555 Views
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One problem. - 27/07/2012 04:54:52 AM 871 Views
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It's a good question, but yes, I do. - 27/07/2012 02:42:28 PM 899 Views
Are going to ban everyone and everyone country who says something about anyone else? - 27/07/2012 04:47:51 PM 808 Views
Yes, that is clearly exactly what I said. - 27/07/2012 05:10:37 PM 854 Views
i have a feeling you are being influenced by that pic they run with all the articles about her? - 27/07/2012 02:14:13 PM 866 Views
Surely you don't think... - 27/07/2012 02:57:47 PM 773 Views
Heh. - 27/07/2012 05:53:07 PM 1025 Views
Typo? There are limits to our credulity... or to mine, anyway. - 27/07/2012 06:27:44 PM 878 Views
Looks like Voula Papachristou agrees with Tom - 27/07/2012 07:09:30 PM 896 Views
Quite understandable. But so's the Greek OC's decision. - 27/07/2012 07:11:31 PM 910 Views
And now a Swiss footabller has gone as well - 30/07/2012 08:22:45 PM 910 Views
That's just poor sportsmanship. *NM* - 30/07/2012 08:53:53 PM 566 Views
And an Australian athlete has been sent home now - 04/08/2012 10:12:12 AM 734 Views

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